‘Tales of the Holohoax’: A Historian’s Assessment

Declaration of Mark Weber
     
The Expert Report by Mark Weber on the Heretical Press publication Tales of the Holohoax. In 2008 Simon Sheppard was prosecuted for its publication, even though the comic had been sold in Britain for around two decades. The following report was not allowed to be submitted into evidence because “the truth is no defence.” Later, prosecution barrister Jonathan Sandiford told the jury, “You need not concern yourselves with the truth. You only need consider whether these matters are abusive or insulting.”

My name is Mark Weber. I was born on October 9, 1951, in Portland, Oregon, USA. I studied history at Portland State University, the University of Illinois (Chicago), the University of Munich (in Germany), and Indiana University (in Bloomington).

In 1976 I graduated from Portland State University with a Bachelor’s degree (high honors). In 1978 I received a Master’s degree in modern European history from Indiana University, where I also served as an instructor.

On March 22, 1988, I was accepted by a court in Toronto, Canada as qualified to give opinion evidence testimony on the Holocaust and Germany’s wartime Jewish policy. After being qualified by Judge Ron Thomas of the District Court of Ontario, I testified for five days in the high-profile case.

During the past 20 years I have carried out extensive independent study on history, particularly 19th and 20th century European and US history. This included considerable research in the National Archives and the Library of Congress (both in Washington, DC ) during the late 1970s and early 1980s into the ordeal of Europe’s Jews during the Second World War.

That research included study of the aerial photographs of Auschwitz taken by the Allies in 1944, the complete, original records of the German wartime Einsatzgruppen units, the German Foreign Office files on the “final solution of the Jewish question in Europe,” the SS concentration camp administration records, the Wannsee Conference protocol and memoranda, and many US Army records, as well as virtually all documents and testimony relating to Germany’s wartime Jewish policy in the 42 volumes of the Nuremberg Tribunal and in the other volumes of testimony and documents of postwar Allied trials. In addition, I have carefully studied the works of prominent historians of the Holocaust, including Raul Hilberg, Gerald Reitlinger, Leon Poliakov and Lucy Dawidowicz.

I am the author of many scholarly published articles and reviews on a range of historical issues, including many on Germany’s wartime Jewish policy and the Holocaust, and on the implications and consequences of this chapter of history. These include “Buchenwald: Legend and Reality” (with the first-ever publication of a secret post-war US Army report on conditions in that notorious camp), “Treblinka,” “Stutthof,” “Bergen-Belsen: The Suppressed Story,” “High Frequency Delousing Facilities at Auschwitz,” “Pages from the Auschwitz Death Registry Volumes,” “Wilhelm Höttl and the Elusive ‘Six Million,’” “New ‘Official’ Changes in the Auschwitz Story,” and “Tell-Tale Documents and Photos from Auschwitz.”

My detailed study, “The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust,” was published as a book in 1998 in French translation under the title La face cachée de Nuremberg.

Since January 1991 I have been living in southern California, where I have been employed full time as a writer, editor and/ or director of the Institute for Historical Review (IHR), an independent “think tank” and research and publishing center. For nine years I served as editor of the IHR’s Journal of Historical Review. The IHR is recognized by the US Internal Revenue Service as a public interest educational enterprise, which means that donors may deduct the amount of their donations to the IHR from their incomes for tax purposes.

I have been asked to provide an analysis of the 16-page booklet “Tales of the Holohoax,” based on my specialized study and training as a historian. Here is my assessment:

The obvious main purpose of this booklet is to discredit the generally accepted Holocaust story of the systematic killing of some six million European Jews during World War II, or at least on some aspects of it. A notice at the top of the booklet’s front cover, “A Journal of Satire,” serves as a disclaimer, warning the reader that this is not to be regarded as a scholarly publication. Adding to its obviously polemical and satirical character is the booklet’s “comic book” format and irreverent title.

All the same, the reader is encouraged to believe that the booklet’s assertions are true and based on fact. To lend credibility to assertions made in the booklet’s text, sources or references are sometimes provided. A few of these are given in the text itself, but most are in the form of numbered sources or references through the booklet text, and which are all listed in the “Endnotes” section on page 15. Although I have not been able to check all of the sources or references in the “Endnotes” listing, most of those I was able to check are accurate, or at least essentially so.

Front Cover / Page 1
On the front cover is a cartoonish drawing captioned “Alice in Lampshade Land.” Because this same drawing appears inside, along with some text, my comments on this are given further below, at the place where the content of page 10 is treated.

Page 2
On this page, under the headline “Genuine Miracles of the Holy Hoax,” are two drawings, along with some text.

The drawing at the top, identified “Palestine 1988” shows Israeli soldiers wantonly killing a stone-throwing Palestinian boy. This image is contrasted with references, noted in the accompanying text, to Jews as “God’s Holy people” who are “serving as a beacon of morality unto all nations.”

The drawing at the lower part of this page recalls and reinforces ancient perceptions of Jews as avaricious and materialistic. Jews are depicted here with unattractive, stereotypical features. Jewish men are shown carrying bags of money or other valuables, and a Jewish woman is shown hauling a load of expensive fur coats.

On this page the booklet bluntly contrasts Jewish/Israeli pretensions of moral rectitude with the reality of the Jewish state’s sometimes brutal and oppressive policies, notably in its treatment of non-Jews in the occupied territories. Although presented here in a heavy-handed way, this is a valid point, and one that many others, including quite a few Jewish and Israeli writers, have made over the years.

The image of Jews as an exalted and morally superior people is rooted in the ancient Hebrew scriptures. In the book of Deuteronomy (Deut. 7:6 and 14:2), for example, God (Yahweh) supposedly tells the Jews: “For you are a people holy to the Lord your God; The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth.”

Elsewhere in the Hebrew scriptures, God promises the Jews that, on the basis of a special “covenant,” they will have great wealth and power over non-Jews. (See, for example: Deut 6: 10-11; Deut 11: 22-25; Psalms 2:8-9; Isaiah 60:10-14; Isaiah 61: 5-6.)

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The drawing at the top of this page depicts ancient Hebrews sacrificing babies to the flames of a man-made deity, the “Moloch.”

The source provided for this claim – Endnote or footnote Number 1, given on page 15 in the “Endnotes” section – is to the Biblical verse, Jeremiah 7:31:

“For the sons of Judah have done evil in my sight, says the Lord; they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to defile it. And they have built the high place of Topheth, which is the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind.”

Reputable historians agree that, as suggested here, the ancient Hebrews apparently did sometimes sacrifice children to the flames of a man-made deity. This is confirmed, for example, in the “Moloch” entry in the 1957 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica (Vol. 15, pages 678-679). However, this practice was apparently not as widespread among the Hebrews as it was among other Semitic peoples in the region.

The drawing on the lower portion of this page refers to gross exaggerations of Jewish deaths at the hands of their ancient enemies, in this case, claims in the Jewish Talmud that in suppressing the Bar Kokhba revolt in Judea in 135 A.D. Roman forces slaughtered 40 million Jews.

I was not able to check the relevant Talmud sections. However, this specific Talmudic claim is noted by Dr. Arthur Butz in his book, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century (2003 edition, p. 296).

Of course, no modern scholar accepts such outlandish claims as historically valid or accurate. Even Jewish scholars readily acknowledge that such Talmudic figures are extravagantly inflated. Similar exaggerations, it should be noted, appear in ancient non-Jewish writings.

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The drawing on the upper left of this page shows a rabbi being burned inside a scroll. The accompanying text refers to an ancient Jewish claim whereby “... the nefarious Romans rolled a rabbi up inside a Torah scroll and set it on fire... While he was being cooked the rabbi saw letters from the scroll hop into the air miraculously.”

The source provided for this assertion – Endnote 2 – is a statement by a rabbi that supposedly appeared in an item in The New York Times of Sept. 19, 1988. I was not able to check this source or reference.

The reader is then told that “Our modern era has not been lacking in Jewish miracles either... In fact, the Holohoax is filled with miracle after miracle that defy the principles of science.” In the pages that follow, the reader is presented with a number of such “miracles,” based on statements by Jewish “Holocaust survivors.”

The first of these is given at the lower part of this page, in a section titled “The Miracle of the Jumping Buckets of Flesh.” The macabre drawing and text here is based on a claim by former Auschwitz prisoner Filip Müller (Mueller) as related in his memoir. I checked a US edition, entitled Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers (Stein & Day, 1984), pages 46-47.

Here is the relevant passage:

“After their execution the chosen bodies were laid on a table. The doctors proceeded to cut pieces of still warm flesh from thighs and calves and threw them into waiting receptacles. The muscles of those who had been shot were still working and contracting, making the bucket jump about. At first we thought the Nazis planned to use human flesh for plastic operations on wounded soldiers. Only later we learned that those buckets of living flesh were taken to the Institute of Hygiene at Rajsko where it was used in the laboratories for the growing of bacterial cultures.”

This unbelievable claim, and other similarly incredible Holocaust claims presented elsewhere in this booklet, are based on statements by Jewish Holocaust survivors. Responsible historians understand, of course, that “eyewitness” accounts are often not reliable, and that such testimony should be evaluated critically and accepted only when it can be verified by other evidence.

Among the scholars who have warned about the dubious worth of such testimony is Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz, himself a Holocaust “survivor.” In an article published in the January 1950 issue of Jewish Social Studies (the original of which I have consulted), Gringauz wrote:

“The hyperhistorical complex [of survivors] may be described as judeocentric, lococentric and egocentric... This is the reason why most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies.”

Over the years I have evaluated many testimonies by Jewish Holocaust survivors, including first-person verbal testimony. In my experience, testimony of Holocaust survivors is usually credible when the witness is describing what he or she has personally observed, but not when relating what he or she has heard from others, second- or third-hand.

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At the top of this page is a drawing and text, under the heading “Miracle of the Smoke-Belching Cremation Chimneys.”

According to the text, “survivor” testimony about smoke-belching chimneys is not credible because “it’s impossible for crematoria to do that because that’s exactly what cremation technology was invented to do... to suppress emissions...” In support of this assertion, “the builder’s patent for Auschwitz crematoria” is mentioned, with a footnote reference – Endnote 4 – to “Manufacturer’s patent, Topf & Son.” Of course, the source cited here is hardly one that any reader of this booklet is in a position to check for himself. I was not able to do so. All the same, this point is essentially a valid one.

Over the years, a number of Holocaust “eyewitnesses” have indeed testified that in 1944 crematories in the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp spewed smoke or even flame. On the basis of information provided to me by American crematory staff members, as well as a study of relevant technical literature and other research, I can confirm that claims about crematories at Auschwitz-Birkenau spewing smoke or flame are not true.

Ivan Legacé, a manager and experienced operator of a crematorium in Calgary, Canada, spoke about this in sworn testimony given in April 1988 during the second “Holocaust trial” in Toronto. He testified that crematories, including the wartime crematories in the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, do not, and cannot, emit smoke or flame.

Legacé’s courtroom testimony is described in Robert Lenski’s book, The Holocaust on Trial (published in 1990). A more detailed report on Legacé’s testimony is provided in ‘Did Six Million Really Die?’: Report of the Evidence in the Canadian ‘False News’ Trial of Ernst Zündel (pages 267-271). This 560-page work, compiled and edited by attorney Barbara Kulaszka, and published in 1992, is faithfully based on the court transcript of the 1988 “Holocaust trial” in Toronto.

The drawing and text in the middle of this page, headed “The Miracle of the Colour-Coded Flames,” is based on courtroom testimony of Arnold Friedman, a Jew who had been a prisoner during the war in the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp.

The source or reference provided for this – Endnote 5 – is testimony of Friedman in January 1985, as given in the transcript of the 1985 trial of Ernst Zundel, and a report in the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper of January 12, 1985, pages 1, 2.

I was not able to check the transcript of that 1985 trial, but I did check and confirm the Globe and Mail item, as reproduced in facsimile in the book The Great Holocaust Trial, by Michael A. Hoffman II (Third edition, 1995, p. 49). On this particular point, the Globe and Mail item reports: “Mr. Friedman said the young internees even thought they could tell whether fat or skinny people, Ukrainians or Poles, were being cremated by looking at the color of the smoke.”

The drawing and text at the bottom of this page is headed “Pope Elie’s Miraculous Escape.” According to the text, Elie Wiesel – the well-known Nobel prize laureate who was a prisoner in several wartime German camps – “survived the Nazi killing machine at Auschwitz, only to be imprisoned in Buchenwald where according to Elie, ‘They sent ten thousand to their deaths every day!’ But despite the methodical nature of the Nazi killing machine, Pope Elie miraculously escaped being killed. ‘I was always in the last hundred (to be killed) near the gate.’ (6)... Yet the Nazis never got him...”

The source cited here – Endnote 6 – is Time magazine, March 18, 1985, p. 79. I checked the original of this item, and can confirm that the source is valid, and that Wiesel is more or less accurately quoted here. In the Time article, headlined “Author, Teacher, Witness,” the relevant quote is: “In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths each day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?”

As quoted here, Wiesel greatly exaggerated the character and scope of deaths in the Buchenwald camp. According to the Encyclopaedia Judaica (1971), the total number deaths, of all causes, in the Buchenwald camp was 56,549. A U.S. Army intelligence report of April 24, 1945, noted that the total number of certified deaths in the camp was 32,705. A detailed June 1945 U.S. government report about Buchenwald put the total number of deaths in the camp at 33,462, of whom more than 20,000 died in the chaotic final months of the war.

(For more on all this, see my article, “Buchenwald: Legend and Reality,” published in the Winter 1986-87 issue of The Journal of Historical Review. Posted at http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p405_Weber.html
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Along with a drawing of Anne Frank at the top of this page, there is text, headed “The Miracle of Anne Frank’s Diary,” which reads:

“St. Anne is the girl that wrote a ‘diary’ which has been a bestseller around the world. She had a magic pen that changed dates and rewrote the ‘diary’ two years later. When Anne died of typhus the pen was inherited by her daddy, who rewrote the ‘diary’ over and over again. (7) And the magic pen never ran out of ink!”

I was not able to check the reference or source given here – Endnote 7 – “Simon Sheppard, Anna Frank’s Novel: The Diary is a Fraud, Heretical Press, 2001.”

Given that no one, to my knowledge, has ever made any claim about a “magic pen” that changed dates in the Anne Frank diary, or which never ran out of ink, the text here is extravagant and rather silly.

Although many people are under the impression that Anne Frank was put to death in a gas chamber, or was otherwise killed, historians universally accept that she died of typhus in the Bergen-Belsen camp, apparently in March 1945, just weeks before the end of the war in Europe.

The book that for decades has been issued and widely accepted as “the diary” of Anne Frank is, in fact, a work assembled by Anne Frank’s father and others from the teenage girl’s diverse writings, and then extensively edited. The “assembled” and heavily edited character of the well-known “diary” was confirmed by the Netherlands State Institute for War Documentation in its “critical edition,” published in English and 1989, with a revised edition in 2003.

The drawing at the bottom of this page, with accompanying text, headed “The Miracle of the Gas Chamber Barber Shop,” is based on testimony of Abraham Bomba, as given in the Claude Lanzmann film, Shoah.

Here is the booklet text:

“In the holy movie ‘Shoah’ we meet St. Abraham Bomba who ran a barber shop in the gas chamber at Treblinka, which according to him, featured 16 barbers plus 140 inmates, plus some benches in a space that was only 16 square meters big! This may well have been the most crowded barber shop in the world. It was a miracle the barbers could get the inmates hair cut in time for the next scheduled gassing, which according to St. Bomba was every five minutes... But it would have taken hours to vent the poison Zyklon gas... So if this weren’t a magic barber shop everybody would have been killed... including the barbers. (8).”

The source cited for this – Endnote 8 – is the transcript of the Shoah film that was published as a book in 1985. I have checked the book. The testimony of Bomba is given there on pages 111-117.

Contrary to what the booklet text suggests, neither Bomba nor any reputable historian ever claimed that Zyklon was used at Treblinka to kill prisoners. Instead, it is generally claimed that Jews were killed there in chambers with exhaust from one or more engines.

The booklet more or less accurately quotes what Bomba said, as related in the Shoah film and book.

Bomba did indeed say that he and the other workers – “about sixteen or seventeen barbers” – carried out their hair cutting “inside the gas chamber,” which he said was “not a big room, around twelve feet by twelve feet” – that is, about 16 meters square. Bomba also claimed that there were benches in the room, as well as “about 140, 150 women,” with children, or “between sixty and seventy women in the same room at one time.”

Contrary to what the booklet text asserts, Bomba did not say that the gassings took place every five minutes. Instead, he indicated that each gassing was about five minutes in duration. Bomba also claimed that the dead bodies were removed from the room (chamber) in one or two minutes. He is quoted as saying that “in two minutes – in one minute – everything was clear. It was clean to take in the other party of women and do the same thing they did to the first one.”

On its face, the story that Bomba tells is not credible. It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that at least some of his testimony is exaggerated.

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The text and accompanying drawing, under the heading “The Miracle of the 23 Million Jews...,” is based on a sentence from Auschwitz and the Allies, a book by British Jewish historian Martin Gilbert.

Gilbert is quoted here as saying that “In the spring and summer of 1942 ... hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day.” The booklet text goes on to conclude that “If 200,000 Jews were indeed gassed daily by the Nazis for the 17 weeks of spring and early summer, that would be 23,800,000 Jews gassed in just those 4 months alone!”

I have checked the source cited here – Endnote 9. The relevant sentence in this book is indeed on page 26. It reads as follows:

“The deliberate attempt to destroy systematically all of Europe’s Jews was unsuspected in the spring and early summer of 1942: the very period during which it was at its most intense, and during which hundreds of thousands of Jews were being gassed every day at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka.”

If instead of “hundreds of thousands,” Gilbert had written “tens of thousands” or “many thousands,” or if he had left out the words “every day,” this sentence would have been consistent with the “standard” or generally accepted Holocaust claims about the scope of killings at the four camps mentioned here.

Of course, neither Gilbert nor any other historian has ever asserted that anything like 23 million Jews were put to death in the camps of Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka. However valid the point that the booklet’s author is making here, it’s stretching things to base it on a single sentence from a single book by a single historian, even one as prominent as Martin Gilbert.

At the lower part of this page there is a drawing of a ramshackle building, identified with a sign reading “Auschwitz Gas Chamber.” In the accompanying text, which is headed “The Miracle of the Magic Gas Chambers,” the booklet reader is told:

“According to scientists and engineers who have inspected the ‘gas chambers’ on display in Auschwitz, Poland (10) it was impossible for any of these to have ever operated as gas chambers due to a total lack of properly sealed doors, fans or vents.”

The source cited here – Endnote 10 (on page 15) is “The Leutcher report.”

This is a reference to the detailed 1988 report by American gas chamber specialist Fred A. Leuchter, Jr. (correct spelling) about the Majdanek, Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau camps. He had been commissioned by the defense case in the Toronto “Holocaust Trial” to carry out a forensic investigation of the alleged wartime gassing facilities at those camp sites. In sworn testimony in April 1988 in the second Zundel trial, and in his report about his on-site investigation, Fred Leuchter explained in detail that the supposed gas chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek could not possibly have been used to gas people as alleged.

In spite of fervent efforts over the years to discredit Leuchter and his findings, the key conclusions of his 1988 report have been independently confirmed by other specialists, including German chemist Germar Rudolf and Austrian engineer Walter Lüftl.

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The two drawings at the upper portion of this page, and the accompanying text, headed “The Miracle of the Burning Pits,” are meant to discredit the often-repeated claim that in the Auschwitz-Birkenau camp during the spring and summer of 1944 many thousands of corpses of gassed Jews were cremated every day in open pits.

The cited source – Endnote 11 – are wartime Allied aerial reconnaissance photos taken on a range of dates in 1944.

In 1979 at the National Archives in Washington, DC, I examined all of the large, original film rolls of these aerial reconnaissance photos. I also carefully examined enlargements of the most relevant individual frames of this collection, that is, the photos of Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau. I also studied relevant available literature, and I discussed these photos with a photo interpreter who had played a role in make public these photographs through the CIA.

As the booklet text suggests here, the claims of mass burnings of bodies in open-air pits are indeed incompatible with the evidence of these 1944 aerial reconnaissance photos.

Claims of mass cremation in pits at Birkenau are also not credible because it is extraordinarily difficult to burn corpses in the open air, and even more so in pits. This point was made by Ivan Legacé, a crematory manager and operator, in court testimony given in April 1988. (See: B. Kulaszka, ed., ‘Did Six Million Really Die?’ [1992], p. 270.)

When he was asked about the often-made allegation that some 4,400 bodies were cremated each day at Auschwitz-Birkenau in the spring or summer of 1944, Legacé responded by saying that such claims are “preposterous,” “beyond the realm of reality” and “ludicrous.”

The drawings in the middle and bottom of this page, and the accompanying texts, under the heading “Those Who Miraculously Survived,” are about false or exaggerated claims of “miraculous” Holocaust survivors.

Although I was not able to check this particular reference – Endnote 11 – (The Washington Times, April 12, 1983, p. B-1), I can confirm that many Holocaust survivor claims are indeed exaggerated or not true.

For example, Jewish “Holocaust survivor,” Moshe Peer recounted in a memoir and to a Canadian journalist his wartime ordeal as an eleven-year-old in the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. He claimed that he “was sent to the [Bergen-Belsen camp] gas chamber at least six times.” The journalist’s newspaper account went on to relate: “Each time he survived, watching with horror as many of the women and children gassed with him collapsed and died. To this day, Peer doesn’t know how he was able to survive.”

(Source: K. Seidman, “Surviving the Horror,” The Gazette [Montreal, Canada ], August 5, 1993. A facsimile of this item was published in The Journal of Historical Review, Nov.-Dec. 1993, p. 24.)

Peer’s story is not true. In fact, and as every reputable historian of the subject now acknowledges, not a single person was ever “gassed” at the Bergen-Belsen camp.

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Under a heading, “Mr. Weasel’s Miraculous Geysers of Blood,” there is a drawing of a man, presumably Elie Wiesel, who claims to see “geysers of Jewish blood which have been spurting out of the piles of Jewish bodies in this field for the last two months.”

The text at the top of this page tells the reader: “Elie Wiesel is not only a miraculous gassing survivor, he’s also an eyewitness to a wonderful miracle! ... Wiesel, who won a Nobel ‘Oscar’ in Stockholm for best tall tale of the Holohoax, has written that after the Nazis killed some Jews in eastern Europe, the blood of the Jews began to spurt out of the ground in geysers! These geysers of Jewish blood... according to Mr. Weasel...continued to flow for months! (13)”

The source cited here for this – Endnote 13 – is a book by Wiesel, The Jews of Silence, p. 48. Although I was not able to check this source directly, I did confirm that what is written here about Wiesel is not quite accurate.

Prof. Robert Faurisson, in his essay, “A Prominent False Witness: Elie Wiesel,” relates that Wiesel did not himself claim to have seen such “geysers,” but only that he heard this story from someone else. Citing the French edition of Wiesel’s book, Paroles d’étranger, Faurisson quotes Wiesel as writing that: “Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood spurted from it.”

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The drawing on this page also appears on the front cover of this booklet.

The drawing and text on this page, under the heading “Alice in Lampshade Land,” deals with two lurid Holocaust stories. The first is the widely repeated story that bars of soap were manufactured from the corpses of murdered Jews. (The “Alice in Wonderland” character in the drawing is holding one of the legendary soap bars.) The second story is that lampshades were made from the skin of murdered Jews. In that regard, the face shown on the “lampshade” in the drawing here is a stereotypical Jewish face, with fleshy lips and a large, “Jewish” nose.

As the text at the lower part of this page indicates, historians now generally acknowledge that these two legendary stories are not true.

I am familiar with the sources or references cited here – Endnote 14. For example, I am familiar with press reports confirming that Deborah Lipstadt and Yehuda Bauer – two prominent Holocaust historians – now acknowledge that the “soap story” is not true.

According to Endnote 14, on page 15, “similar anti-German atrocity propaganda about soap was invented during World War I (see Arthur Ponsonby, Falsehood in Wartime).” This is not quite accurate. A chapter of the book Falsehood in Wartime deals with similar World War I stories about German manufacturing of lubricating oil, fertilizer and fats – but not soap – from the bodies of dead soldiers in “corpse factories.” (For more on this, see my “Jewish Soap” article, published in the Summer 1991 issue of The Journal of Historical Review. Posted at http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p217_Weber.html
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With regard to the “lampshade story,” I can confirm that the source cited in Endnote 14 (page 15) is valid, although the citation is not very precise.

As far as I know, I am the first person to cite or quote from the remarks mentioned here by Lucius D. Clay about the lampshade story. That was in my article on the Buchenwald camp, published in the Winter 1986-87 issue of The Journal of Historical Review (posted at http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p405_Weber.html
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I wrote that General Lucius D. Clay, Commander in Chief of U.S. Forces in Europe and Military Governor of the U.S. Occupation Zone of Germany, 1947-49, carefully reviewed the Ilse Koch case in 1948 and found that, whatever her other misdeeds, the lampshade charge was baseless. He commuted her sentence from life imprisonment to four years, and informed the Army Department in Washington “There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tatooed skins or that she possessed any articles made of human skin.”

I also quoted from a 1976 interview with Clay, in which he recalled:

“We tried Ilse Koch... She was sentenced to life imprisonment, and I commuted it to three [four] years. And our press really didn’t like that. She had been destroyed by the fact that an enterprising reporter who first went into her house had given her the beautiful name, the “Bitch of Buchenwald,” and he had found some white lampshades in there which he wrote up as being made out of human flesh... Well, it turned out actually that it was goat flesh. But at the trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for her to have gotten a fair trial.

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This page, headed “The Miraculous ‘Proof’ That the Holocaust Did Happen,” deals with the significance of the well-known photos of masses of dead bodies found in German concentration camps at the end of the war.

Everyone is familiar with the horrific photographs of dead and dying inmates found in concentration camps such as Bergen-Belsen and Nordhausen when they were liberated by British and American forces in the final weeks of the war in Europe. As suggested in the booklet text, many people accept these photos as proof of “the Holocaust.”

The booklet goes on to tell the reader that these dead inmates had died of “hunger or disease... like victims of any war in history... not from ‘gassings!.’” This is a valid point. The much-photographed dead and dying inmates found in camps liberated by American and British forces in 1945 were, in fact, victims of disease and malnutrition brought on by the complete collapse of Germany in the final months of the war. (For more on this, see my essay, “Bergen-Belsen: The Suppressed Story,” published in the May-June 1995 issue of The Journal of Historical Review. Posted at http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n3p23_Weber.html
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As the booklet text relates here:

“If these people were killed by being ‘gassed to death’ where are the autopsy reports stating this? There aren’t any such autopsy reports... All the autopsy reports show these corpses died from hunger or disease... like victims of any war in history... not from ‘gassings.’ Dr. Raul Hilberg, a leading Jewish Holohoax historian and author of the book, ‘The Destruction of European Jewry’ admitted under oath at the 1985 Zundel trial that there is not a single scientific report showing that any Jew died by gassing! (14) ‘I’m at a loss’ Hilberg told the court when asked to cite a single report! Dr. William Eckert, chief pathologist for the International Reference organization in forensic medicine and sciences has also confirmed that there are not autopsies showing any Jew in the camps was gassed. (15).”

There are some mistakes or inaccuracies here. For one thing, Hilberg’s book is actually entitled The Destruction of the European Jews. It is true, as the booklet text relates, that in his testimony in the 1985 Zundel trial, Hilberg said that there are no autopsy reports showing that even a single person died from exposure to poisonous gas in chambers. However, Hilberg’s testimony is not inconsistent with the “standard” Holocaust story, because he and other Holocaust historians contend that the bodies of all Jews who were killed in gas chambers were cremated.

The footnote 14 given in the text here on this page is not valid. This note 14 should instead refer to Endnote 15 on page 15, which cites a Canadian Press (CP) report published in The Sault Star, a Canadian newspaper, about Hilberg’s testimony in 1985. This item is reproduced in full, apparently in facsimile, in The Great Holocaust Trial, a book by Michael A. Hoffman II (Third edition, 1995, p. 88). The date given on the facsimile is January 18, not January 16, 1985.

The footnote 15 given in the text here on this page is an apparent mistake. As already mentioned, endnote 15 on page 15 refers to a newspaper report about Hilberg’s testimony, and makes no mention of a William Eckert. I am not familiar with the claim made here attributed to “Dr. William Eckert,” nor was I able to find any independent confirmation of this finding by him.

Near the bottom of this page, the booklet’s author writes:

“But what we historical detectives and investigators do deny is the irrational, hysterical and plainly mendacious claims that Jews were gassed to death by Nazis. There is no scientific evidence for such nonsense and thinking people have the right to doubt it.”

Evidence for wartime killings of Jews in gas chambers is less substantial or abundant than many assume. This point was made by Arno J. Mayer, a professor of history at Princeton University. In his book, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? (Pantheon, 1989; pp. 362-363), this Jewish scholar wrote: “Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable... there is no denying the many contradictions, ambiguities and errors in the existing sources.”

In this regard, it is also worth recalling that for years it was authoritatively claimed, and even “proven” in courts, that prisoners were killed in gas chambers at Dachau, Buchenwald and other concentration camps in Germany proper. Claims of homicidal gassings in those camps ultimately proved to be groundless, and are now rejected by all reputable historians.

All the same, to dismiss evidence for wartime killings of Jews in gas chambers as mere “nonsense” and “plainly mendacious” is unjustified.

It is true that some skeptics of the standard Holocaust story – who are routinely castigated as “deniers,” but referred to here in the booklet as “we historical detectives and investigators” – contend that there were no homicidal gassings of Jews during World War II. However, other skeptics, such as David Irving, accept that homicidal gassings of Jews did take place, or may have taken place.

Page 12
On this page, under the heading “Crimes by Jews Not Reported in the News,” is text and three drawings that depict Jews with unattractive, exaggerated features. Jewish pretensions of love for all humanity are contrasted with vicious remarks by some Jews about non-Jews (gentiles).

In the middle of this page, in a portion headed “The Reality,” Rabbi Simon ben Yohai (Shimon bar Yohai) is quoted from the Talmud as telling his fellow Jews that “... Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed.”

The authenticity of this Talmudic quote has been confirmed by reputable specialists, including British scholar and explorer Sir Richard F. Burton, in his book The Jew, The Gypsy and El Islam (1898 edition, p. 119); Rabbi Mordechai Friedfertig, in his essay “Divrei Moredchai – Our Sacred Texts”; Jewish American scholar David Klinghoffer, in a 1994 item, “Among Strangers”; and, Jewish scholar Israel Shahak, a Holocaust survivor and, for years, a professor in Israel, in his book, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years (London: Pluto, 1994), pp. 78-80.

A more complete and accurate rendering of this quote is: “The best of the non-Jews should be killed. The best of the snakes, their skulls should be crushed.”

Some Jewish commentators express embarrassment over the ferocity of this statement, and try to play down its importance. All the same, the basic Jewish attitude toward non-Jews, as expressed in the Talmud, is hardly a loving one. In his book Jewish History, Jewish Religion (page 80), Israel Shahak writes: “As for gentiles, the basic Talmudic principle is that their lives must not be saved, although it is forbidden to murder them outright.”

At the bottom of this booklet page is a hateful injunction attributed to Israeli Army Chief Chaplain Shmuel Derlich. Although I was not able to confirm the accuracy of this specific injunction, or to check the reference given here for it (The Nation, August 16, 1986), I can confirm that comparable remarks have been made by similarly prominent Israelis.

In Jewish History, Jewish Religion, (pp. 76, 113, n. 7), Israel Shahak cites an exhortation to Israeli soldiers by the Chief Chaplain of the Israeli Army’s Central Region Command, Colonel Rabbi A. Avidan (Zemel). In a booklet published in 1973 for Israeli troops, the rabbi declared:

“When our forces come across civilians during a war or in hot pursuit or in a raid, so long as there is no certainty that those civilians are incapable of harming our forces, then according to the Halakha [Jewish religious law] they may and even should be killed ... Under no circumstances should an Arab be trusted, even if he makes an impression of being civilized... In war, when our forces storm an enemy, they are allowed and even enjoined by the Halakha to kill even good civilians, that is, civilians who are ostensibly good.”

Shahak also relates (page 91):

“In fact, it is not uncommon for reserve soldiers called up for to do a tour of duty in the Gaza Strip to be given an ‘educational lecture’ in which they are told that the Palestinians of Gaza are ‘like the Amalekites.’ ... There are many similar examples of bloodthirsty rabbinical pronouncements against the Palestinians, based on these laws.”

Shahak goes on to explain to readers of his book (pages 96-97) that:

“Anyone who lives in Israel knows how deep and widespread these attitudes of hatred and cruelty to towards all Gentiles are among the majority of Israeli Jews... Judaism is imbued with a very deep hatred towards Christianity, combined with ignorance about it.”

Endnote 16 (on page 15) cites the book Jewish History, Jewish Religion, by Israel Shahak, and another book co-authored by Shahak. I am familiar with the first of these two works. I was not able to check The Nation item mentioned here in the text.

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On this page, and on page 14, television reports (exaggerated or untrue) of German Holocaust crimes against Jews are sharply contrasted with atrocities and crimes reportedly committed by Jews, especially Israelis, against non-Jews. The reality of Israel’s often brutal and criminal treatment of non-Jews in the occupied territories is, of course, well known and abundantly documented. The author of this booklet is by no means the first or only person to write indignantly about “western taxpayers” support for Israel, in spite of the Zionist state’s harsh and illegal policies.

I was not able to check The Nation item mentioned here in the text.

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The reader is told here:

“The media-induced fixation with only one war, one war crime and one nation of supposed war criminals has served as a handy focus for attention away from Israeli murders not only of the present but also of the past.”

This same point has been made by many others, including a number of Jewish writers.

Amira Hass, an award-winning Israeli journalist and author, for example, says that Israel has turned “the Holocaust” into a “political asset.” In an April 2007 column in the influential Israeli daily Haaretz, she wrote:

“Turning the Holocaust into a political asset serves Israel primarily in its fight against the Palestinians. When the Holocaust is on one side of the scale, along with the guilty (and rightly so) conscience of the West, the dispossession of the Palestinian people from their homeland in 1948 is minimized and blurred.

“The phrase ‘security for the Jews’ has been consecrated as an exclusive synonym for ‘the lessons of the Holocaust.’ It is what allows Israel to systematically discriminate against its Arab citizens... Turning the Holocaust into an asset allows Israel to present all the methods of the Palestinian struggle (even the unarmed ones) as another link in the anti-Semitic chain whose culmination is Auschwitz ...

“Separating the genocide of the Jewish people from the historical context of Nazism and from its aims of murder and subjugation, and its separation from the series of genocides perpetrated by the white man outside of Europe, has created a hierarchy of victims, at whose head we stand... Whoever criticizes Israel’s policies toward the Palestinians is denounced as an anti-Semite, if not a Holocaust denier... The transformation of the Holocaust into a political asset for use in the struggle against the Palestinians feed on those same stores of official cynicism, but it is part of the consensus.”

Norman Finkelstein, a Jewish scholar who teaches at DePaul University in Chicago, wrote in his bestselling book, The Holocaust Industry, that “invoking The Holocaust” is “a ploy to delegitimize all criticism of Jews.” He added: “By conferring total blamelessness on Jews, the Holocaust dogma immunizes Israel and American Jewry from legitimate censure... Organized American Jewry has exploited the Nazi holocaust to deflect criticism of Israel ‘s and its own morally indefensible policies.”

This view is echoed by another Jewish scholar, Tony Judt, who is director of the Remarque Institute at New York University. In a piece published in early 2005 in The Nation, he wrote

“The Shoah [Hebrew term for Holocaust] is frequently exploited in America and Israel to deflect and forbid any criticism of Israel. Indeed, the Holocaust of Europe’s Jews is nowadays exploited thrice over: It gives American Jews in particular a unique, retrospective ‘victim identity’; it allows Israel to trump any other nation’s sufferings (and justify its own excesses) with the claim that the Jewish catastrophe was unique and incomparable; and (in contradiction to the first two) it is adduced as an all-purpose metaphor for evil – anywhere, everywhere and always – and taught to schoolchildren all over America and Europe without any reference to context or cause. This modern instrumentalization of the Holocaust for political advantage is ethically disreputable and politically imprudent.”

(For more on all this, see my essay, “Holocaust Remembrance: What’s Behind the Campaign?” Posted at http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/holocaust_remembrance.shtml
)

In the middle of this booklet page (p. 14) is a drawing and some text about the Jewish role in the early Soviet regime, and crimes committed by Jews who served the Soviet state.

It is indeed true, as the booklet relates here, that such misdeeds are not well known. This point was made recently by Sever Plocker, chief economics editor of Israel’s largest circulation daily newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth. In an essay, “Stalin’s Jews,” posted on the Ynet News website (Dec. 21. 2006), he wrote:

“An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name Genrikh Yagoda, the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least ten million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system....

“Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We’ll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD’s special department and the organization’s chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.

“In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin... Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history... I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.”

(For more on the Jewish role in the Bolshevik seizure of power and in Russia’s early Soviet regime, see my essay on this, posted at http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
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As significant as the Jewish role was in the Bolshevik takeover of Russia and the early Soviet regime, this role is sometimes exaggerated. For example, it is not true, as claimed here in this booklet, that Lenin was “half-Jewish.” His ancestry was one-quarter Jewish. The booklet reader is also told that “The very first law ever promulgated in the official Communist newspaper ‘Izvestia’ (July 27, 1918) made opposition to Jews a crime punishable by death.” In fact, numerous laws and decrees were promulgated by the young Soviet regime and publicly issued in the seven or so months following the Bolshevik seizure of power on November 6-7, 1917.

A valid point is made in the text at the bottom of this page, in noting the “authentic Holocaust” of Allied bombing during World War II. This campaign took the lives of some 500,000 or 600,000 Germans, overwhelmingly civilians, including tens of thousands in the infamous fire-bombing of Dresden on February 13-14, 1945.

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In the text at the top of this page, the reader is told that “most of those who call themselves ‘Jews’ today have no blood relation or ancestral link to the Israelites but are in fact imposters,” and that “many of the ‘Jews’ today are Khazars posing as Jews...” Over the years some plausible evidence has been presented to support the view that most Ashkenazi Jews are not of Hebraic ancestry, but instead are descendants of the Khazars, a central Asiatic people. However, the balance of modern scholarship on this question does not support this view.

In the text at the bottom of the page, mention is made of the savage beating of French professor Robert Faurisson on September 16, 1989, and of some of the arrests, prison ordeals and acts of terror against Ernst Zundel. These points are valid, and have been abundantly verified. For more about the persecution of and terror against Faurisson and other Holocaust skeptics, see, for example, my 1993 publication, “The Zionist Terror Network,” the text of which is posted at http://www.ihr.org/books/ztn.html
).

As a kind of conclusion, the reader of this booklet is told:

“The wild fables about homicidal gas chambers have become the parables of an informal state religion of the West. Government, schools and media inflict this morbid, funereal mindset on young people, to instill guilt and as a form of group-libel/hate propaganda against White people, especially Germans. There is a synagogue masquerading as a museum in Washington, D.C. supported by public funds (the U.S. Holocaust Museum), which is the first cathedral to the first state-established religion in American history, and a similar shrine has been installed in London ‘s Imperial War Museum. People who question the central assumptions of the gas chamber cult are denounced as heretics; belief is supposed to be automatic. Everyone has the right to ask questions and to read books which given an alternative view – there are always two sides to a story. The gas chamber dogma can only maintain credibility through censorship, lies and suppression of debate. You have the right to doubt, to scepticism and to scientific proof. However, there is no scientific proof of homicidal gassings, as was admitted by Jewish historian Dr.Raul Hilberg (transcript of the trial of Ernst Zundel, Ontario, Canada, Jan. 17, 1985, pp. 968-969.)”

The language here is polemical and overstated. For example, the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC, is not a “synagogue masquerading as a museum.” All the same, the writer makes some valid points here. I have made similar points myself in my essay “Holocaust Remembrance: What’s Behind the Campaign?” (posted at http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/holocaust_remembrance.shtml
).

It is not an exaggeration to assert, for example, that “the Holocaust” now has a semi-religious status in western society. Rabbi Michael Goldberg, a Jewish author and religious leader, says that for many Jews the “veneration” of the Holocaust has become a new religion. In his 1995 book, Why Should Jews Survive?, he goes on to write: “And as with any organized church, this Holocaust cult has its own tenets of faith, rites, and shrines.”

Back Cover / Page 16
On the back cover, under the heading “Ye Olde Gas Bag,” are drawings of a “Jewish Holocaust survivor” with an unattractive, stereotypical “Jewish face,” and accompanying text in which the “survivor” character makes obviously absurd and mendacious statements. Even though (and as already mentioned) many claims by Holocaust survivors have proven to be false or overwrought, I am not aware of any Jewish survivor making claims as outlandish as those presented here.

Because this page’s text is so hyperbolical and unspecific, I am unfortunately not able to evaluate it as a historian.

Summary
While it is true that many claims by Jewish Holocaust survivors are indeed groundless or extravagant, the main focus of this frankly satirical and polemical booklet on such claims may be misleading or unfair, given the undeniable reality that large numbers of Jews were mercilessly put to death during World War II. For example, and as I have testified, many tens of thousands of Jews were killed by German units in mass shootings in the occupied Soviet territories, notably in 1941 by the notorious “Einsatzgruppen.”

At the outbreak of World War II in 1939, there were hundreds of Jewish communities scattered across eastern and central Europe, especially in eastern Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine. But these communities, with their many hundreds of thousands of Jewish inhabitants, were eradicated during the war years. Given this grim reality, the survival of at least some of the Jews who were alive at the end of the war in Europe was indeed fortuitous, if not “miraculous.”

This booklet is on more solid ground in its treatment of what Jewish scholar Norman Finkelstein calls “the Holocaust industry,” and in highlighting the double standard of western society that sanctions a kind of “hate propaganda” against Germans and other Europeans in the context of “Holocaust remembrance,” while prohibiting a comparable emphasis on Jewish or Zionist misdeeds.


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Robert FAURISSON - The Auschwitz Swimming Pool

The German-Australian revisionist Frederick Toben has brought to our attention the fact that today, beside the swimming pool at Auschwitz I, there stands a signboard bearing, in Polish, English and Hebrew, a notice intended to have the visitor believe that the pool was in fact a simple reservoir for the fire brigade. It reads as follows:

Fire brigade reservoir built in the form of a swimming pool, probably in early 1944.

He asks when exactly this signboard appeared. I myself have no idea but the inscription is just as fallacious as any number of the Auschwitz museum’s other allegations or explanations. One fails to see why the Germans, rather than settling for an ordinary reservoir, would have made one in the fashion of a swimming pool... complete with diving board.

The pool was a pool. It was meant for the detainees. Marc Klein mentions it at least twice in his recollections of the camp. In an article entitled ‘Auschwitz I Stammlager’ he wrote:

The working hours were modified on Sundays and holidays, when most of the kommandos were at leisure. Roll call was at around noon; evenings were devoted to rest and to a choice of cultural and sporting activities. Football, basketball, and water-polo matches (in an open-air pool built within the perimeter by detainees) attracted crowds of onlookers. It should be noted that only the very fit and well-fed, exempt from the harsh jobs, could indulge in these games which drew the liveliest applause from the masses of other detainees (De l’Université aux camps de concentration: Télmorgnages strasbourgeois, Paris, les Belles-lettres, 1947, p. 453).

In his booklet Observations et réflexions sur les camps de concentration nazis he further wrote:

Auschwitz I was made up of 28 blocks built of stone laid out in three parallel rows between which ran paved streets. A third street ran the length of the quadrangle and was planted with birch trees, the Birkenhaller intended as a walkway for the detainees, with benches; there also was an open air swimming pool (booklet of 32 pages printed in Caen, 1948, p. 10; its text is a reproduction of the author’s article published in Etudes germaniques, n° 3, 1948, pp. 244-275).

M. Klein, professor at the Strasbourg medicine faculty, took care to point out that his first statement had been submitted “to the reading and scrutiny of Robert Weil, professor of science at Sarreguemines lycée,” who had been interned in the same camps as himself (p. 455).

In 1985, at Ernst Zündel’s first trial in Toronto, I spoke of M. Klein’s recollections but the real specialist on the history of the Auschwitz I swimming pool was at that time none other than the Swedish revisionist Dietlieb Felderer. If I remember correctly, the Canadian press headlined an article on his testimony about it. Moreover, in his writings he often returns to this and other quite concrete, quite precise subjects just as disquieting for the supporters of the exterminationist argument.

N.B. The water of the swimming pool can obviously be used by firemen in case of emergency. In his booklet, M. Klein wrote that “there were firemen at the camp with very modern equipment” (p. 9). Amongst the things that he had not expected to find on arriving, in June 1944, “at a camp whose sinister reputation was known to the whole world thanks to the Allied radio broadcasts,” one may note, for the detainees, “a hospital with sections specialised in line with the most modern hospital practices” (p. 4), “vast and well fitted-out wash houses along with communal W.C.’s built according to the modern principles of sanitary hygiene” (p. 10), “the micro-wave delousing process which had just been created” (p. 14), “the mechanical bakery” (p. 15) the legal aid for the detainees (pp. 16-17), the existence of “dietetic cooking” for some of the sick, with “special soups and even a special bread” (p. 26), “a library where numerous reference works, classic textbooks, and periodicals could be found” (p. 27), the daily rolling by, next to the camp, of “the Krakow-Berlin express” (p. 29), a cinema, a cabaret, an orchestra (p. 31), etc. M. Klein also notes the horrible aspects of life in the camp and all the rumours, including the “horrific stories” of gassings which he seems not really to have believed until after the war, and then only thanks to the testimonies in the “various trials of war criminals” (p. 7).

Addendum of 27 July. A wartime detainee and, like M. Klein and R. Weil, a Jew himself, confirmed, in a short testimony written in 1997 entitled “Une Piscine à Auschwitz,” that he saw, in July 1944, dozens of his fellow prisoners busy at work on the said pool which, he pointed out, had “a diving board and an access ladder”; he could have added “along with three starting blocks for races.” He wrote that towards the end of that month “a newsreel director had some deportees filmed swimming there.” As one might expect, he enlivened his account with the regular stereotypes of the SS men’s or kapos’ brutality and he saw in the making both of the pool and of the film nothing but a propaganda operation. His report ends with two interesting remarks. First, that in 1997 no guide was “aware” of the pool (which nonetheless was before the guides’ very eyes and of which a photograph accompanies the article: we read that this picture, showing a swimming pool full of water, was taken in that year) and that the author would like to know just where the newsreel might be today. His question is akin to those put by some revisionists: might the film not be “at the headquarters of the International Red Cross”? Doubtless he meant: at the International Tracing Service (ITS) located at Arolsen-Waldeck in Germany and operating under the direction of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), with headquarters in Geneva. Since 1978, this body has barred revisionists from its archives, which are known to be an exceptionally rich resource. For its part, the Auschwitz State Museum probably possesses documentation relevant to various aspects of this swimming pool’s construction, e.g. the project, the plans, the financing, the requests for and the supply of building materials, the requisition of labourers, the inspection visits.

Reference for this account: R. Esrail, registration no. 173295, « Une piscine à Auschwitz », in Après Auschwitz (Bulletin de l’Amicale des déportés d’Auschwitz), n° 264/octobre 1997, p. 10.
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Swimming Pool, Auschwitz Camp, June 1996. ‘Inmates from Auschwitz and surrounding camps enjoyed swimming and sunbathing beside the pool on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. Although not as popular as sports like soccer, some competition was organized where inmates from different countries of origin, and different camps, raced in individual and relay events.’ Above photo and caption from www.air-photo.com, below photo provided by an anonymous donor.

Siegfried Verbeke, Unsung Hero of Revisionism

Siegfried Verbeke was there when he was needed, and when it mattered. Every time.

First, some background: In 1994, the German authorities were hell-bent at choking all efforts to publish new, trail-blazing revisionist research. The 1993 German original of my expert report on the chemistry of Auschwitz (Holocaust Handbooks, Vol. 2) induced the German thought police to put me on trial, the main proceedings of which started in November of 1994. The publication of the German original of my anthology titled Dissecting the Holocaust (Holocaust Handbooks, Vol. 1) appeared that same month, resulting in house searches and confiscations all over Germany in an attempt to annihilate that book. A detailed article of mine on fraudulent forensic research about Auschwitz, conducted by a Polish team of pseudo-scholars, led to another criminal investigation against me. Wherever an article of mine appeared during 1995, it resulted in the offices of the respective periodical being raided, office equipment getting seized, the affected magazine issue being confiscated and destroyed, and everyone involved investigated for saying things Jews hate.

In the summer of 1993, I had launched another anthology project, a response of several leading revisionists to a book by French pharmacist-turned-historian Jean-Claude Pressac. The resulting anthology now carries the title Auschwitz: Plain Facts (Holocaust Handbooks, Vol. 14). It reached maturity in 1995, but at that point in time, no German publishing outlet was willing to touch anything I had written with a ten-foot pole. It was a safe recipe to get a visit from the Dezernat Staatsschutz, the branch of Germany’s police proudly carrying on the Gestapo’s tradition. So where would this book see the day of light? Who would dare put his name and address on it?

Riding to the rescue came a knight in shining armor: Siegfried Verbeke, a Dutchman from Antwerp, Flanders, and owner of a copy shop with the ability to produce paperback books. Already in 1993, he had published a Dutch and French translation of my expert report on Auschwitz, although without asking me first (hence, he translated an outdated text…). Learning about the rising tide of persecution against me, Siegfried got in touch in 1995, offering his help. I asked him whether he would take on the risky project of publishing the new book. He eagerly agreed, and so it was issued under the imprint of the not-for-profit organization he had established ten years earlier: Stichting Vrij Historisch Onderzoek, or V.H.O. for short, meaning Foundation for Free Historical Research. Siegfried’s brother agreed to have his name put on the book as the responsible editor. And so it was done.

The operation turned into somewhat of a mess when I left Germany in early 1996, impeding communications between Siegfried and me for a while, until I had finally settled in England for good in the summer of that year – or so I hoped. What used to be an obscure Flemish outlet was subsequently lifted to worldwide prominence. In 1997, I launched a German quarterly periodical officially published by V.H.O. and bearing that foundation’s name in its title: Vierteljahreshefte für freie Geschichtsforschung: Quarterly for Free Historical Research (VffG). Siegfried and I managed to acquire the contact lists from several aging German revisionists, such as Thies Christophersen and Udo Walendy. With this potentially solid customer base, we then launched a magazine- and book-publishing enterprise that took off nicely. VffG soon had some 1,000 subscribers, advertising V.H.O.’s range of books and brochures at the end of each edition.

Later in 1997, after dabbling with html and the internet for a few months using AOL’s service of permitting subdomains, I bought the rights to the three-letter domain name vho.org. This put V.H.O. on the map as a multi-language revisionist outlet online, for everyone to see, and most importantly out of reach of the Gestapo. While Siegfried had no skills in the computer and internet departments, he was enthusiastic about what I was doing, making sure VHO.org got all the attention it deserved. When the Flemish media reported about this evil denier in their midst in May of 2001, initiated by a police raid triggered by a French search warrant, Siegfried proudly wore a t-shirt with the simple message “WWW.VHO.ORG” on it (see the image to the right). Journalists photographed him that way, and this image made the rounds in mainstream media, leading to traffic spiking on our site. He printed simple stickers with the same message, which people in Europe bought in bulk and stuck to utility poles all over the continent. Mimicking this, others started simply spray-painting this domain name on random billboards. Just mentioning the domain name led to criminal investigation in Germany for stirring up the people. It also led to media publishing photographs of these disfigured billboards, again helping us out greatly.

We had fun!

Since I was hiding in England under an assumed identity, and Siegfried was fronting for me in Flanders, communication with my customers was cumbersome and often heavily delayed. Siegfried collected incoming mail and forwarded it to me, and I sent outgoing letters to him, to be put in the mail in Antwerp. In the long run, this was not a good business model, and so in early 1998, we parted ways. I established my own publishing outlet, Castle Hill Publishers, yet operated the vho.org site as before, whose online store then featured both Castle Hill’s offerings and those of VHO.

A disagreement between Siegfried and me on how to run the web site and what products to sell through Castle Hill Publishers’ online shop led me to take legal control of the domain name in the summer of 2000, which up to that point had been registered by me in Siegfried’s name. Siegfried remained oblivious of my domain-name heist, which at that point in time was still rather easy to pull off. In fact, I suspect he never even knew that he had been the formal owner at any point in time.

This change of ownership in 2000 turned out to be a blessing for him in 2005. During that year, Germany initiated a major crack-down on international revisionism. Ernst Zündel was deported from Canada, I was deported from the U.S., and Siegfried got arrested in Belgium due to a German arrest warrant. The German authorities wanted to blame him for everything connected to www.vho.org. From a German prison, I managed to collect evidence proving that Siegfried had not owned the site since summer 2000, and I signed an affidavit stating that he has never been involved in anything concerning the site anyhow. He merely advertised it. Since “propaganda offenses” expire in Germany after five years, and Siegfried got arrested five years and a few months after the change of ownership, the German authorities had to let him go – and focus their zeal on me instead.

Between 2005 and 2009, www.vho.org went partially dormant during my time in prison, being run by a volunteer who had assisted me in running the server and any software installed. After my release, he quit, but I was not in a position to do much with it either while living in Europe, within the Gestapo’s reach. After immigrating permanently to the U.S., my focus turned entirely to a close cooperation with CODOH, and vho.org became a mere static repository of revisionist items posted since its inception.

During my prison time and the forced dormancy of vho.org, Siegfried’s focus gradually shifted to a close cooperation with French revisionist Vincent Reynouard, with whom he had been working since 1997. For example, they pursued several video projects together, most notably on the Einsatzgruppen executions behind the Eastern front (all in French: La “Shoah par balles” (ep. 1); La “Shoah par balles” (ep. 2); Le mythe de la “Shoah par balles”).

When Vincent needed help in 2015 to dodge a one-year prison term imposed by the French authorities, and a sheer endless string of further prosecutions, Siegfried was again there to help. His wife allowed Vincent to live in a small house she owned in the suburbs of London. That was the beginning of Vincent’s years in British exile, which ended only in early 2024 with his extradition to France.

Even many seasoned revisionists or afficionados of revisionism may never have heard of Siegfried Verbeke. He usually avoided the limelight but was a decisive mover and organizer in the background during the 1990s and into the late 2010s. Health issues finally forced him to slow down in the 2020s.

He passed away on June 28, 2026, at the age of 85. Another dear friend and comrade in our struggle for freedom and truth entered the eternal hunting grounds.

See also the birthday presentation below created on occasion of Siegfried’s 80th birthday.

By Germar Rudolf

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Mark Collett & Germar Rudolf – Holocaust Summit 2026

[In this livestream video Mark Collett, leader of the pro-White British nationalist movement, Patriotic Alternative, talks with “Holocaust” revisionist Germar Rudolf. Items discussed include:

Promotion of a virtual “Holocaust Summit” that Rudolf is organising.

Rudolf directs viewers to his website and to holocaustsummit.com for event details and contact information.

Recent work: Multilingual rollout of Rudolf’s “Holocaust Encyclopedia” (English 2023; Spanish and French released; Arabic in progress), noting heavy editing and verification post AI machine translation.

On restrictive laws abroad, Rudolf states he won’t comply with what he considers unjust speech laws: “I don’t give a rat’s arse about any dictatorship passing laws prescribing the writing of history.”

He says distribution uses diffuse international channels and has not yet encountered seizures.

Outlines the history of “Holocaust scepticism” from Arthur Butz’s 1976 book, the IHR conferences (late 1970s–1990s), and their decline after internal conflicts.

Rudolf’s biography: Attended early-2000s conferences; arrested/deported in 2005; served 44 months in Germany; later returned to the US after legal challenges.

Family concerns kept him low-profile for years; post-divorce and with older children, he agreed to spearhead a virtual event.

COVID-era normalisation of online conferences reduced costs / risks and made the Summit feasible.

He argues recent Gaza events have opened minds to re-examining historical narratives, claiming the Holocaust is invoked to justify policy and censor debate.

He registered holocaustsummit.com and launched “Holocaust Academy” to teach what he calls “sound” Holocaust historiography.

Mission framing: Oppose what he calls the weaponisation of history for war and censorship; “We are going to be independent… fearless… and not constrained by politically correct taboos.”

Date: Jan 27 (International Holocaust Remembrance Day). He says the Red Army “conquered” Auschwitz in 1945—“the Red Army never liberated anyone.”

Format: Livestream beginning 9:00 am. ET (2:00 pm UK), recorded for replay; viewers can watch live or later.

Platform: FTGmedia.com (to avoid de-platforming); Summit links will be kept current on holocaustsummit.com.

Structure: 45-minute talks; 15-minute Q&A; chat requires a platform account; Q&A uses small paid Superchats; recordings to be posted on Rumble, BitChute and Odysee.

Anticipated pushback: Cites pressure from anti-racism, anti-anti-semitism groups; worries about DDoS / backbone interference; contingency planning ongoing.

Opening talk (Rudolf):

“80 Years of Holocaust Skepticism”—history of the movement, key claims, and resources; an on-ramp for newcomers.

Speaker: James Mawdsley (UK Catholic priest, film-maker) on Treblinka; Rudolf served as a historical advisor on Mawdsley’s documentaries.

Speaker: Peter Rushton (UK) on British intelligence and Himmler; “The Dog That Didn’t Bark” theme about wartime assessments.

Lunch break: Premiere of a new CODOH-related documentary (~35 minutes); break also helps absorb schedule overruns.

Personal testimonies panel: Brother Nathanael Kapner (online activist), Leo Walls (US bookstore owner), Georges-Marc Theil (France) on entry into scepticism and consequences (ostracism / prosecution).

Speaker: Vincent Reynouard (France), with decades of activism and multiple current cases, on “misuse of the law” to suppress dissent.

Speakers: Heinz Bartesch and attorney Andrew Allen on US OSI “Nazi-hunting” cases; allege legal overreach and evidence abuses in immigration prosecutions.

Speaker: Prof. David Skrbina on early wartime/postwar mainstream voices who expressed scepticism.

Closing paper: Carlo Mattogno (Italy) on the state of research, presented by Rudolf; Rudolf adds “where we go from here,” future research gaps, and generational handoff.

Legal caution for EU presenters: Some will stick to personal experiences to avoid violations; audience asked not to corner them with risky questions.

Attendance: A few hundred email sign-ups so far; hopes for several thousand live viewers and many more on replay.

Sponsors/hosts: Holocaust Academy and CODOH highlighted; FTG Media donating platform access; many contributors working unpaid.

Donations: Sponsorship tiers available via the Holocaust Academy shop; live Q&A questions are donation-based.

Replay/Archive: All talks to be archived on holocaustsummit.com and mirrored to alternative video platforms.

Merchandise: Summit mugs and T-shirts available via Armreg.co.uk (publisher’s merch page).

UK legal context: Watching is legal; case law allows debate if not disparaging; both host and Rudolf stress a civil, scholarly tone to avoid issues.

On humour and speech: Rudolf warns that in some countries jokes can be criminalised—“When jokes become punishable by law, you stop laughing”—and both urge avoiding “edgy” jokes or disparagement; Mark closes by praising Rudolf, plugging future shows, and urging lawful, respectful engagement.

– KATANA]

Mark Collett: Hello everybody, and welcome to tonight’s special stream. We are live tonight on Odysee, Rumble, DLive and Entropy. Please do share the links because we’ve got a very special guest here tonight that I’ll be introducing shortly. It is of course, Germar Rudolf. And before we do that, I’m going to give you a couple of updates.

Now, as I said, this is a very important stream. It’s because we’re introducing a special event that Germar Rudolf is hosting called, The Holocaust Summit. And this event is something that hopefully will be very big. And this is basically a bit of an advert for the event, a bit of a discussion about how it came about, but also a discussion about who’s trying to stop it!

So we’re going to go through all those things and many more tonight and at the end you’ll have a chance to ask questions.

Now, if you support my work, if you like what I do, please share the stream.

But also if you support my work and like what I do, you can give a donation, you can donate through Rumble, you can donate through Entropy. Anything donated throughout the show will be read out live on the show and any questions will be put directly to Germar Rudolf.

So if you ask me a question or pay for a question via a Superchat, I will read it out after the initial presentation and we will answer your questions. All donations are gratefully received. And as I always say, if everyone gave a small amount, $3, $5, $10, that would make a great, great difference. Some of my streams in the past few months have been seen by upwards of 75,000 people. Imagine if everyone had just given $3, what we would be able to do with that money would be almost limitless at that point. But everyone would barely notice that money leaving their account because it’s probably the price of an energy drink, probably less than a coffee house coffee, certainly less than the price of a McDonald’s double cheeseburger these days.

So if you can afford something, please do consider donating. You can also donate by crypto-currency. All the crypto links, as always, are in the description below and you can email me at mark@thefallofwesternman.com. And many of you will be saying:

“Well, how can I get in touch with Germar?”

And this is obviously all about Germar. You can get in touch with Germar via the Show Notes. The Show Notes have the link to his website about this very event. So you can find him there. You can also find him on Telegram.

So thank you so much to anyone who does donate in advance. And please do consider supporting Germar’s event, because that’s what this is all about.

Now, obviously, Germar is the special guest here tonight, and I did a special show with him a while back. It was an excellent show, and his ability to present his evidence and to tell his story is almost unrivalled! I couldn’t believe it! I asked one question and Germar sort of spoke very eloquently for about 58 minutes, at which point we went to Questions and Answers. It was sort of the least work I had to do ever in a show! I didn’t need to interrupt. I didn’t need to ask him any additional questions. He just has this skill of being able to tell his story in a timely way and weave it all together almost perfectly in the allotted space that we had on the show. And after doing that show with him, I was sort of really happy with the way it turned out. I was really happy with the reception, Germar got from my audience, and I really did want to have him back on.

So when he contacted me and told me he was doing this conference, this Summit, I was very happy to promote it. And I asked him:

“So, hey, sort of, what can I do to help you?”

He said:

“Well I could always come on the show.”

So I thought:

“Well, what better way to push this event than invite him back on and spend sort of 45 minutes to an hour talking to him about this event and also just having a general catch up.”

Because the last show, as I said, it was so good and everyone appreciated it so much. I did want to get him back on eventually anyway, so this is a perfect time.

Germar, you have been a very busy man since we last spoke. How have you been? And what sort of led up to you wanting to do this event? Because you have an excellent website, you have a number of really good books, you’ve been busy with other content creators. I know that you went on Unity News Network and you’ve had sort of a little flurry of appearances, but if you want to get people up to date with what you’ve been up to and when, what sort of inspired you to decide to put on this conference, please tell us all about it.

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, well, thank you.

First of all, thank you for having me on the show again. A short remark. If people want to get in touch with me personally, learn more about me, how they can support me if they are so inclined, the easy way is just go to my personal website, which is Germarrudolf.com. So you see my name there on the screen. Just put this together without a blank and a dot com at the end, and you’re on my personal website and you can browse it there.

Now, as to what I’ve been up to over the past year, the main work that I’ve been focusing on was getting the Holocaust Encyclopedia, the English edition of which had appeared in late 2023, out in several other languages. The Spanish and French are out. The Spanish came out in I think it was maybe of last year. And the French we got out, I think it was in November. So we are up now to four languages. English, German, which was done by a different company. It was not in my ballpark. But the French and the Spanish edition, and that’s a lot of work. I mean, writing an encyclopedia is one thing, then AI helps you translate. But at the end you have to walk through it. My Spanish and French is good enough. I could do most of the proofing and editing myself. And then came the big one that we’re preparing right now! It’s an Arabic edition.

So that’s like proofing a pot full of spaghetti, because that’s how that language looks like to me. [chuckling] No clue about it! But I have professionals working on it.

And so this is making good progress and hopefully within a few months that will hit the mark and we’ll see how that’s going to be received. What kind of ripples that we’ll have, if any. So that’s on that side.

Now coming to the actual event for which we have come together today. Holocaust sceptics have been organising conferences since the late 1970s. And the early, …

Mark Collett: Okay, I just ask a quick question before you go into this?

You mentioned that the books are available in French and Spanish, but aren’t the Holocaust sort of revisionism laws or laws and against revisionist literature in France?

Germar Rudolf: So what?

Mark Collett: I was just asking about sort of the legality of the sales. Really, I was just, … What you might have to overcome in that case.

Germar Rudolf: Yes, if I have the intention to abide by unjust and illegitimate laws that violate United Nations Charter of Human Rights, I wouldn’t have gotten into the topic to begin with. So I don’t give a rat’s arse about any dictatorship passing laws, prescribing the writing of history at government gunpoints. This is something that doesn’t go down well with me.

Now, when it comes to printing and publishing the book, that’s an international network and I’m not going to expose here or reveal here what kind of logistics we use. But it basically gets lost in the massive mail stream that goes into and out of every country every day. So we haven’t had any interference, be it getting literature, English literature, or French, also to Canada, to France, to, … You name the countries. If we had them by the bag or by the truck load going into the country that would be selectively subject to border controls, that would be a problem.

But it’s just going individual for every customer into the mail stream. And this just gets lost in the shuffle. So we haven’t encountered any problems yet. So knocking on wood. Fingers crossed. I hope I’m not going to jinx it now.

Mark Collett: Yeah, I was just interested about the logistics of these things because there are draconian laws and I think what you’re doing is obviously very brave. And that answer of you’re not going to allow unjust laws to stop you. I think you’re a very courageous man. So sorry for the interjection. Please, please continue.

Germar Rudolf: That’s quite all right. So back in 1976, the first really scholarly book of Holocaust scepticism was published. That was Arthur Butz’s hoax of the 20th century. The first edition of which actually was published by Historical Review Press, kind of a small outlet that was established on occasion of that book appearing down in Brighton by Tony Hancock in the UK, even though the author, of course, is in the United States. That was the launching pad of people getting interested into Holocaust scepticism seriously, but also realizing that this is a serious School of thought that has to be reckoned with. And it led to the formation of the Institute for Historical Review in California. And they did have first conference was in 78 or 79 [1979], I can’t remember, I think it was in 79.*

[* See: The World’s First Anti-Holocaust Convention-Instauration Dec, 1979

https://katana17.com/2016/09/27/the-worlds-first-anti-holocaust-convention-instauration-dec-1979/.

[In this article, written for the Dec. 1979 edition of the revisionist journal,  Instauration, an interesting account is given of the first ever, “Anti-Holocaust” convention,  with speakers including:  Robert Faurisson from France; John Bennett from Australia; Udo Walendy from Germany; Louis FitzGibbon from Britain; Arthur Butz and James Martin from the US. This was held in Los Angeles and organised by the Institute for Historical Review  —  KATANA.]

And they had had subsequently, over the next two decades, conferences almost on a yearly basis, with a few exceptions. And unfortunately they had some internal strife in the mid-1990s, a kind of a schism there that led to internal fighting, unfortunately. That’s something that occurs on occasion. And that led to the whole School of thought and the Institute losing steam. And eventually those conferences petered out in the early 2000s.

And there hasn’t been any for the better part of 20 years now. And now I myself participated, since the first conference I attended was in 2000, I think so participated in the last few that happened, until I got arrested and deported back in 2005 and had a hiatus of six years in Germany, well, 44 months of them, full board at government expense. And after I came back to the United States a little bit shell shocked, got my feet wet slowly and eventually got back into the race.

But my family situation, I was married to a US citizen and we had a baby. And of course I was deported right out of this family. And she had to raise her daughter the first six years almost by herself. And so she was more traumatized by that event of government persecution. It was eventually decided that they deported me in violation of US law, and I had to litigate but eventually succeeded and came back. And now here I am in the United States, relatively safe from European style thought crime prosecution.

But my wife wasn’t happy in me continuing this kind of work, fearing that it would have another negative impact down the road for the family, not just for me. So we had an agreement that I could continue my work privately but keep my head down and limit or try to not even at all have any public exposure. That also means I couldn’t do any conferences. I was approached during those years starting 2014, 15, something, that a conference should be held again and I would have been the person to go to with my connections, with my involvement in the various organisations and with my track record of productivity. But I waved it off. I couldn’t have pulled it off logistically back then.

A physical conference requires a lot of work of getting the venue, organising food and accommodation for all the people that want to attend and of course for the presenters themselves. And the costs, the overhead costs could be daunting! And it’s not clear that at the end you actually walk away with profit more likely not. Most of all because you always have to have a “Plan B”. The traditional enemies of free speech and freedom of assembly in the past have always tried to shut down events like that. And they most certainly continue doing this to this day. Not just when it comes to Holocaust scepticism, but anything that is considered Right-wing, whatever that be. Even though Holocaust scepticism is neither Right nor Left. It’s about accuracy in history. But it is something that finds interest in the Right-wing spectrum of the political spectrum more prominently than in Left-wing circles or libertarian for that matter.

Be that as it may, you have to have a Plan B, a second venue, in case the first bails out under pressure of the usual suspects, you have to quickly be able to switch over. So you always have to pay kind of for both. And if your contracts are not written right, you start paying through the nose. With all these challenges, I said I can’t do it, apart from the agreement I had with my wife.

Now Covid hit. With all the negative things there is one upside to Covid and that is that in the meantime everyone is used to and technically capable of attending virtual conferences.

So the kind of discussion we have now with a lot of people watching, we can have 10 people discussing something and 10 million people watching. It has become so common due to Covid that this is something that can now be pulled off. The platforms are there are plenty of them and the overhead costs are reduced. People have the software, have the gadgets to participate, to watch it. And they used to it. Particularly the new generation is very comfortable that kind of technology.

So last summer a friend and supporter of mine, actually a pair of sisters, approached me and said we need to do something with Gaza brewing there’s an opportunity opening with people opening their mind that who see that the Zionists and the jewish Israelis to a large degree, not all of them, are pushing and committing genocide. The United Nations Commission has officially recognised Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza with the justification that they have to pre-emptively wipe out the Gazans in order to prevent them from committing another holocaust against the jews.

So the Holocaust is used as a political weapon to commit mass atrocities, to commit a genocide. That has made people realise that the agendas and the historical narrative pushed by Zionists and it’s not just jewish Zionists, I always say there are more Christian Zionists in the world than they are jewish Zionists, is recognised by people as being illegitimate, as being driven by a Holocaust narrative that is misused for these ends. And they see how the narrative about what happened on October 7th back in when was that? 2023, right? So long ago already, wasn’t quite accurate what Zionist sources told about it either. So there is the distortion and misuse of history for political purposes.

And then people are willing with their open mind:

“Wait, what’s going on here?”

To look back in history and see other cases and then to look at the big elephant in the room when it comes to historical narratives. And that’s the Holocaust used by pressure groups, not just jewish, not just Zionist ones, to push their agendas.

With that said, I couldn’t really bail out anymore. Unfortunately I had gone through a divorce in the meantime. And so my agreement with my ex-wife was no excuse anymore, that had evaporated. So with my family situation, most of my children are now grown up and they’re out of the home. There’s only one left who needs a little bit more of tender loving care still.

So that argument is gone. The logistical nightmare of doing physical conferences doesn’t exist when you do a virtual one. And I had agreed:

“Okay, let’s do it!”

The sisters actually suggested a name, Holocaust Summit.

So I went online and looked whether the domain name is still there was. HolocaustSummit.com was available. I instantly reserved it and we started contacting people who would be willing to present it. Now the website is up. If we can share that screen with the audience. I’d like to go through a number of things we’ve put up there.

So as I mentioned, anyone can go there. Holocaust Summit.com, and it is organised and sponsored by a number of organisations. I’ve actually created a Holocaust Academy roughly a year ago, which I plan on and in the process of developing as a platform to teach sound Holocaust historiography to whoever wants to listen to give an accurate and holistic picture of the evidentiary situation when it comes to this event.

One of the first things that we’re now doing as the academy, major things we have already given private lessons, but the website itself is currently under development. So having a curriculum of a college style is somewhat daunting. But I’m working together with a retired Professor of humanities to get this going. And sometime later this year we will have that flying. But it will come now into the open as the organisation that will officially host the Holocaust Summit. So we are going to be independent, we’re going to be fearless, because unfortunately in this area you have to be! And we are not going to be censored if we can help it. And we’re not going to be constrained by politically correct taboos of thinking and asking questions and looking for answers.

So we’ll be tackling the most harmful ideology, undermining peace, truth and freedom world-wide. Because the Holocaust is used to trigger wars and genocides. That is used to enact censorship laws that suppress the search, the sharing of truth, and thus is used as a starting point for government to increase censorship measures. It’s easy to get a quote, unquote, “anti-Holocaust denial” law through Parliament.

And once the first fortress of freedom has fallen, then censorship like a cancer grows. And we see that in every country in the UK. You know it for yourself, what’s going on in your country. It used to be a stronghold of freedom of speech until they passed the new., … What was in 2002, I think the Public Communications Act. And now it’s completely escalating with the constraints they put on it.

So we need to be aware that the Holocaust is at the centre of the orthodox Holocaust narrative and its abuse, its misuse for political purposes, is at the centre of the problem of deteriorating freedom world-wide, or at least in the Western hemisphere.

Now we have picked the 27th of January, which, what is today, the 20th? I’m getting flustered here. Third. It’s already the 23rd, so it’s just in four days and next Tuesday should be. We picked that day for a reason. 27th of January 1945 was the day when the Red Army conquered the Auschwitz camp. And I choose that word wisely because the Red Army never “liberated” anyone. So they conquered the camp. And in 2005, if I’m not mistaken, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution declaring that particular day 27 January, International Holocaust Remembrance Day.

So the iconic camp of Auschwitz, which is the most known alleged crime scene of what is labelled the Holocaust, Auschwitz is also the reason why we have this day as the international day of commemorating this event. And we want to use that too. Commemorating the truth and the lies, the exaggerations and distortions and the victims of this Holocaust narrative. The Gazans are the most recent, most extreme victims of this narrative. But we will have people present their experience of persecution and prosecution. Victims, martyrs, dissidents thrown into prison or having their livelihood destroyed.

So there’s a lot to commemorate and remember for us as well, and we will do that as well.

So the event itself will start 9:00 AM Eastern US time, which if I’m not mistaken is 2 clock in the afternoon for the UK and 3 PM for the rest of the most of the, …

Mark Collett: I think 7 PM in the UK. 2 PM Eastern is 7 PM in the UK.

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, but we started 9 AM so it should be 2 PM

Mark Collett: Oh, okay. Sorry.

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. We actually may start the stream a little earlier to test things and make things sure that things are running smoothly and make few accommodations and have a few organisational remarks before actually the day picks up with the presentations that we have.

Now if you click on the second link there, that CCR list and timeline of presenters that gets everyone down to the actual table where we have the presenters.

So this is our day. How we plan on having it unfold. We have the day started out with a contribution that I’m giving. Originally we had hoped actually for Nicholas Kollerstrom to take that spot. He initially had submitted a paper but then he had to retract it because it came under pressure, has been under pressure for a long time. So he wanted to talk about the English eclipse of communications.

But anyway, it’s not going to happen. There’s already one casualty of censorship and suppression, which is mounting and increasing in the UK. So I’ve taken that spot. And I take the opportunity because that event, short side note here, that event of course is streamed live. We will have the links on that website where people can reach it. Actually at the top there is already one and we’ll keep that updated.

But it’s a Tuesday. Not everyone will be able to sit and watch an event like this all day, on a normal workday. We will of course record it will be posted and people will be able to watch it whenever they please. And we will have it not only on our holocaustsummit.com website, but the company that actually hosts it, as at least the plan, is FTG media.com, and they are an independent platform.

So when it comes to them, we will not be de-platformed because it’s owned actually by one of the board members of one of our main sponsors, which is the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust. And he’s on the board there and he has suggested we use that platform so that we can’t be de-platformed.

I will be talking about 80 years of Holocaust scepticism, whence we came and where we are. So I give a historical overview since we assume that a lot of people over time, as years go by and these contributions will be accessible, a lot of people will not know much about our School of thought, its history and its views, that an introduction is due. We haven’t had anything like this happen in 20 years.

So there’s an entire generation that has grown up which needs to be or should be given an introduction of what we are handling and what we’re dealing with here. So I will be talking about the main events and the main achievements of Holocaust scepticism over the past, well, since the end of the war, basically 1946 or 47 when it kind of started. And in the second half I will give a quick rundown giving the most striking, the most convincing arguments why everyone should be sceptical about the mainstream Holocaust narrative, and give resources in that context where people can learn more.

So with that, the event kicks off. Every contribution, full contribution will have 45 minutes. I hope everyone stays in that slot, but you know how it goes. There will be a time overrun, possibly. Followed by 15 minutes of question answers. There will be a chat feature, FTG media.com like any other, like Rumble, like YouTube has a chat feature. In order to chat you have to have registered with the platform that doesn’t cost anything. You just submit your email address and get a free account and then you can chat. Now for the question and answer series session at the end, the last quarter hour, people are requested to make a donation in order to submit a question like the Superchat and various other platforms. And in order to do that you have to have a wallet with FTG media and the wallet is just automatically set up. When you get an account, you just have to fill it with some funds, whatever resources you take it from, plastic money or crypto or whatever.

So that is the plan. My contribution is followed by a compatriot of yours, James Mosley, who is a Catholic priest from the UK. He has done a number of documentaries on the Holocaust over the past several years. Really good documentaries. And when he was working on his first one, he approached me and asked me a number of questions. So I became his historical advisor, if you wish. Each time he was working on one, he submitted what he was doing and I would make suggestion how to improve it.

And he will be presenting what he found about the evidentiary situation in one particular camp that he had investigated and done a documentary on. And that’s Treblinka. Now if you click on James Mawdsley’s name up there in the list that actually will get you to, for every one of the presenters will get you to where there’s a short bio, you can see a portrait and a summary of the presentation. If you scroll a little up or down, you can go back to the list, back to the timetable.

So this is James Mawdsley. We have actually grouped the European presenters first. UK comes first. James Mawdsley. Next one is Peter Rushton, also from the UK and he will be talking about also history between dogma and taboo. He talks about the British intelligence communications and interaction with the German intelligence toward the end of the war. Looking for evidence that the Brits were really thinking that the German intelligence community, which was under the rule of Heinrich Himmler, the supposed main architect of the Holocaust, that the British were actually acting and communicating as if they believed that Himmler was really murdering or had already murdered at that point of time six million jews is a very interesting contribution. I’m looking forward to myself that the title of it, the Dog that Didn’t Bark is already an indication of which direction that will go.

We’re having a lunch break after that. It is scheduled to be 2 hours long now I expect some time overruns and maybe stretching into the hour between 12 and 1. But we will have enough time during that break and I have yet to announce it because we just finished up preparing for this. The lunch break will have will see the premiering of a new documentary we have just finished. And this is about an appearance of representatives of the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust in the public arena. And we had a little bit of an impact there and we want to share that with the community. That’s I think a 35 minutes so it will fit in there either way.

So in the afternoon the first session is actually shared by three individuals who will be talking about their personal experience getting into Holocaust scepticism, how that happened and then also to what degree they were exposed to persecution, prosecution, ostracism and that kind of stuff. Nathaniel Kapner has been a very active person on social media, on YouTube, and now on other alternative platforms going after self-chosen people and their capers and also critiquing the misuse of history for political purposes.

Leo Walls is a bookstore owner in the US who tells his story of how that went when he started offering books that most don’t like.

And Georges-Marc Theil is actually a French fellow who has had decades of experiences of exposure to persecution in France.

Which leads us then to the next contribution that’s a bigger one. Seasoned revisionist Vincent Reynouard from France has under his belt now already 30 years of activism and I would say historical scepticism in general on the World War II issue, not just the Holocaust. And he has been the main focus as of last two, three years of the French judiciary to lock him away for good. He currently has to deal with seven court cases at once. He will be speaking during his presentation primarily about his experience of the abuse, … No. Not the abuse, the misuse of the law and the judiciary to suppress dissidents, peaceful dissidents on historical issues.

And after that we go into abuse of power and politics based on history. Heinz Bartesch and Andrew Allen will report about their experience with the Office of Special Investigations, that’s the jewish branch of the FBI that was focusing on what they call informally, “Nazi Hunting”. Hunting down immigrants who had some association during the war with what the Axis powers were doing and the OSI was trying to deprive them of their immigration status or even citizenship and deport them to Europe to have them put on show trials there. The biggest case known is probably the case of Ivan Demjanjuk, John Demjanjuk from the 1980s. Bartesch and Allen will actually discuss a different case, that concerns Heinz Bartesch’s father, late father, who the OSI wanted to deport. And they got a bloody nose because they didn’t reckon with the stiff resistance and skilled defense that Andrew Allen, a lawyer from the San Francisco Bay area, was putting up. They were presenting some insight into how the FBI’s branch, back in the days, it has been disbanded by now, was violating the law, breaking the law left and right and forging evidence and so forth in order to frame immigrants, just to have a heyday for themselves or to push Holocaust propaganda.

After that we have retired Professor Dr. David Scrbina, who used to lecture in the humanities and philosophy at Michigan State University, if I’m not mistaken. He will be talking about early mainstream voices of Holocaust scepticism already during the war and right not too long after the war, which shows that back in the days, even mainstream people were sceptical about the narrative being pushed at war’s end.

And we wrap up the day making full circle what I started beginning the day, showing where we came from and where we are. Carlo Mattogno, probably the most prolific revisionist scholar and writer that we have, but in my opinion, also the most knowledgeable Holocaust scholar on the planet! The mainstream included! He is. He can’t speak English or understand it well, and he is currently in a besieged situation in Italy where they passed a law in 2016, threatening anyone voicing their dissent on the Holocaust narrative with up to six years in prison. Now they haven’t done anything against him, even though he kept publishing books by the truckload. I think he’s by now more than 50 books published on that topic. But he does that in a very scholarly manner and in a very low profile. So in Italy there are a few, 10 people and maybe buy the books, but they’re kind of shelf warmers. And he wants to keep it that way. He doesn’t want to gain a larger profile. He wants to do his work underneath the radar of public attention in Italy. And therefore he has submitted his paper to me to present it. And I have increased it by my own take of: Where Do We Go from Here? One part of it is what are the White spots on the map of Holocaust historiography, which still need to be investigated, explored. But also what else needs to be done to hand the relay staff over to the next generation. And there are some quite promising prospects when it comes to new people coming on board with new ideas, with the help of new technologies, bringing it to a new level and a different level. So trying to imitate or copy what Carlo Mattogno has done with his massive work is not what’s going to happen. The direction I think will go somewhere completely different. And I will be talking about that and hopefully this is going to happen. And with this I hope we will be closing the day.

Now, there’s always a possibility that things don’t run as smoothly as they are listed here. Just today we got information that a powerful group, international group, in the business of suppressing a free speech and freedom of assembly. They call themselves “Opponents Against Racism and Anti-semitism”. But basically what that means is they want to stifle anyone who has an opinion that certain ethnic and religious groups with power and influence, don’t want to hear!

So they are working in the background. We know of that and we hopefully will be able to prepare for there’s no way of telling from DDoS attacks to trying to get to the backbone provider and what have you. Anything is possible these days to just. And if it takes to turn off the power plant so you don’t have electricity, [chuckling] but that’s what it takes, that’s what they’ll do! So we expect something. They have noticed with the kind of exposure that our Summit has already received beforehand that we are there, what we’re doing and that we are reaching out and having a ripple effect and they don’t like it!

Now the kind of presentation that I’m giving here right now, I’ve done a number of them. If you scroll up on the screen here slowly, you can actually see listed on the right-hand side a number of presentations linked to of other platforms where I have given an introduction to this event. So if anyone is interested in listening to those, you just click on the image and go to the respective platform which is usually Rumble or Bitchute where this is posted. And because of this, I think, and you helping out now too, this event hopefully is going to be a success. It promises to be a success for us, and it threatens to become one for those who don’t want our voices to be heard.

So there is going to be in the background the usual electronic warfare from the traditional enemies of free speech, to be expected, and we will see how that goes.

This is by and large my narrative now we are here right on the screen where the organisation of that event is shown. We actually, when we submitted to people who were potentially able to give presentations, the invitation to do so, we said we basically accept papers on three main topics.

The first is Holocaust in History, Taboo Between Dogma and Descent. It just talks about new historical findings and insights and interpretations on the event itself. The next one is Holocaust and Politics History as a Weapon. And I mentioned we have one contribution in this regard which will discuss the weaponisation of immigration law against immigrants in order to get propaganda campaigns out of it. And the last one is Holocaust and Human Rights History as a Muzzle, Holocaust Used to Push Censorship. And we have a number of presenters as mentioned who will discuss their very private experience of censorship.

So it should all be civilised and decent and for no one to get overly excited about in either direction. But of course certain groups get extremely excited if they fear that voices be heard that can disrupt their main source of power and influence.

And there’s a lot at stake for them and they will go to extremes if need be to shut us down. We’ll see who at the end will have the upper hand.

Mark Collett: So are you expecting the usual sort of suspects to try and put a stop to this? Have you had anybody threaten your platform or have you had any threats in the run up to this or any attempts to stop this already?

Germar Rudolf: Yes, yes! We just today we got information that as I mentioned, you can have your own platform which is a computer program, but it has to run at the end of the day. It has to run on a server and has to have the connection to the backbone with the Internet cables with enough bandwidth. And usually you have some company providing services from the telecommunications company that hooks you up to what we call today the Internet, the physical Internet, to companies who do server co-location or dedicated server renting. And along that line I’m not quite sure what it was and I wouldn’t necessarily want to reveal it either. We already had approaches from certain quarters of pressure groups to shut down any link in that chain that would get our voice from where we sit to the Internet to the world. So that’s going on in the background and we have to see how that goes. Nothing has been shut down yet, but they’re trying.

Mark Collett: And when you kick this off, what sort of attendance are you expecting?

Germar Rudolf: Well, the Holocaust Summit website itself, HolocaustSummit.com if you go to the top, you actually see a link there where people can jump to the sign up form and just submit their email address so that they can stay informed if there are any sudden changes in the timeline in whatever is going to happen. Because we never know. If we go by that the last time I checked and that’s a week ago, that’s not quite accurate. We had submitted 300 emails through that. But I would expect these are only the hardcore ones who are willing to share their email. And the other, there’s not really a need if you just keep to the website. Go to the website and look up what the link is to the actual event and we will have it posted on other websites as well. You don’t have to identify yourself. So I would assume that the vast majority will not identify themselves even with an anonymous email.

So we need to see how it goes. I don’t know. Sign up has really accelerated with my frequent experience appearances on shows like yours over the past two weeks. And I would assume by now we have probably harvested several hundred more. But there’s no way of telling, as I mentioned, how many people who, how many of those who will attend will actually have submitted their email address. I would assume it’s a minority.

So hopefully we are going to have several thousand which will most certainly exceed, far exceed the range we could have had in the past with physical conferences, which were limited to a few hundred.

And of course then we have it not just streamed, but we have it posted. So on the usual platforms that will reach many, many more thousands, ten thousands in days, weeks, a month and years to come.

Mark Collett: And bearing in mind you said you are going to be doing donations and questions and answers on the day, sort of how do you expect or is there a way that people can sort of sponsor you in advance?

So obviously these events, they take a lot of time and effort to put together. I know it’s not a physical event and I know you’re not paying people to be there, but sort of, is there a way that people can actually sponsor the event and make donations in advance to help you guys with your infrastructure and to make sure the event goes smoothly?

Germar Rudolf: Absolutely! The HolocaustSummit.com website itself, if you were to go there and you go to the very end of the very bottom of the page, it shows the logos of the two companies who are the main sponsors and have officially declared themselves to be sponsors. You know, most actually want to stay anonymous. But there’s also a link that simply says, “Become an AMREC Holocaust Summit sponsor today”, which gets you to the shop of our Holocaust Academy where you can buy sponsorship packages and that actually has several tiers of whatever you want to invest in it. This would be the way to go. So holocaustsummit.com at the very bottom of the page, that’s where you could chip in to cover any costs. Most of us are actually working for free right now and there’s no payment. And FTG Media.com is a sponsor itself and their way of sponsoring is by giving us access to the platform free of charge. We don’t know what happens if, excuse my French, shit hit the fan with all kinds of attempts to shut us down and then we have to come to some more expensive ad hoc solutions to circumvent these things. There’s no way of telling right now!

Mark Collett: And one final question. So with it being on a Tuesday, it’s going to be difficult for some people to attend. Obviously it looks like it’s going to be a fascinating day and your lineup is an extremely strong lineup. And it’s rare to have a conference that is that well packed with guests, to start at 9 AM and go all the way through to 6 PM. It’s a big event. So where will this be posted for Replay? Is this going to be up on Odysee? What sort of places will it be available on replay?

And as a final sort of additional question, usually with conferences there are some kind of sort of, I don’t know, maybe a brochure, or some kind of physical keepsakes available. Is there any merchandise that people can purchase as well to support the event? So sort of two questions. There will there be sort of a full re-upload of everything? And is the like to commemorate this, any kind of physical merchandise that supporters could also purchase?

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. So to the first question, once the event is over, it’s getting archived on our own website. HolocaustSummit.com will be moved to a folder 2026, and we will have there with posters and a short description, all the contributions listed. You click on it and you will probably have several options. They will be on Rumble and Bitshute and Odysee, and you can pick which platform you want to watch it on. We are probably not going to strain our own server because those platforms are good enough.

So this will all be available and the link to that archive will then be of course on the front page, on the home page, prominently displayed. When it comes to merchandise, we just started developing that and if I am not mistaken, … Let me have a quick look where we are with this.

The only company right now that actually has a merch contract is Armreg and we are developing, … Now if you were to go to armreg.co.uk as you know, the publishing branch of what we are doing is actually located in the UK. It is located in London. So if you go to armreg.co.uk and share that with the audience or do you want me to share it? Which way is faster?

Mark Collett: I’m just doing that myself now.

Germar Rudolf: So Armreg.co.uk.

Mark Collett: Just bringing that up. There’ll be two seconds. Just give me a couple of seconds just to get that set up. There we go.

Germar Rudolf: Okay, now at the top menu you see merch as the third entry. Yeah, click on that’s for merchandise and once that has loaded.

Mark Collett: Oh, it has loaded. Sorry, it’s just now I have to share that window as well. Well, just give me a second because it’s a pop out window. So two seconds. It’s weird how that works. Give me a second. Share screen. That’s the one.

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, that’s the one, yeah.

So if you scroll down a little, we have our various merchandise there’s one for Armreg itself and general stuff and there you see some merchandise. We have a mug and a Tshirt right now that has the announcement of that particular event.

Mark Collett: Wonderful.

Germar Rudolf: So that’s how to go about it.

Now I have still to put that link more prominently on the Holocaust Summit website so people can get there directly. That’s  a good point for you to make that and I will make that happen once we’re off here, and I will add that to the site so people can get to the merchandise easily.

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much! We do have some Superchats so I’m just going to bring them up two seconds. We actually have a couple that hung over from the other night, so I’ll deal with them quickly. Covenant Soldier gave $10. Thank you so much! And said:

“Love the show with Rob Rondo. Hail the active clubs.”

Thank you so much! Flying Dutchman gave $50.

Thank you very much. And said:

“Catching up. Happy New Year!

Well, thank you my friend. I’ve actually sent you a message today so you can pick that up on Telegram. Thank you very much. Nationless Nationalist gave $3. Thank you so much! And said:

“Hope and encouragement to those suffering in silence.”

Well, thank you so much! Some Guy 14 gave $10, thank you so much! Said:

“Qu huge respect to Mr. Rudolf.”

Thank you so much! And Aunt Sally gave $5 and said:

“Mark, how likely am I to get my door kicked in for watching this conference?”

In the UK you see, one thing I’ll say is like in the UK, if I’m correct, And I’m just getting this sort of as correct as I can. In the UK it isn’t illegal to actually deny the Holocaust or to engage in revisionism, as far as I know.

However, if you were to do so in a way that was seen as insulting or demeaning to people, it would be. So if you were making jokes or if you were saying things which were couched in the way that was meant to be insulting, that may be illegal.

However, if you were doing sort of academic work such as what you do, that would be seen in a different light.

So I think in the UK this would be legal, but it would be very hard for anyone to get into trouble for simply watching this at home. Would you agree with that?

Germar Rudolf: Absolutely! We have, with all the censorship laws we have not a single case where a country has stooped down to the point where they persecute people for just attending, listening and consuming. Even the countries with the harshest policies when it comes to this. That’s Austria and Germany. You can, for instance, you can buy Holocaust sceptical literature that is not illegal if you buy only one copy for your own use. If the government happens to intercept it, they can still destroy it, but they can’t prosecute you for it. The same with attending a conference like this. It is not an offence in any country of the Western world. And when it comes to the UK, case law says you can contest the mainstream Holocaust narrative until you’re blue in the face. What you cannot do is in that context, disparage victims, survivors, martyrs, whatever. So in any way talking ironically, sarcastically, humourously, or in any way that is considered offending toward the survivors, the victims and so forth.

Now the company, as I just mentioned, Armreg.co.uk that has published and republished all this material and before that we were actually in the UK since 1996. I was personally, I lived in the UK until 1999. And I started the whole operation there. And it was called Castle Hill Publishers has gone belly up in late 2023, and then we switched over to Amreg. So just a reorganisation basically. Almost at all times been in the UK except for a stretch of one and a half, two years, and we have never been harassed by anyone. So keeping it scholarly, keeping it matter of factly and civilised, as you should, any discourse anyhow, keeps you safe in the UK for now.

Anyone attending, when you are in the chat and you make comments in there that can be considered disparaging to jews in general or survivors or descendants and victims of the National Socialist persecution of the jews. And you do that with an account that for some reason, because you set it up that way, allows the authorities to identify you, which would probably not be smart.

If you want to go on FTG media or somewhere else, use an ID that doesn’t allow anyone to identify you. And if an email is required, if you want safety, use a burner email or someone, some email that is not officially traceable to you directly.

However, if you abstain from making those kind of comments, which I advise under any circumstances, because nasty language doesn’t reflect good on the community and I’m no fan of it. So if you abstain from these kind of comments, you should be good under any circumstances on any place on this planet.

It’s different for our presenters. Some of them come from Europe and as I’ve mentioned, when we’re talking about those coming from France, they’re talking about their persecution. They’re not going to make statements on history themselves because we don’t want to get them in trouble. And if we have the question and answer session, I would like the audience also to abstain from questions that corners those French individuals and putting them on the spot, because they need to fly home and don’t want to be arrested. Not fly home, [chuckling] because they are at home! They don’t want to get arrested the next morning or whenever.

Mark Collett: Yeah, and I want to echo that. I mean, look, I believe it’s very important to talk about the kind of things that we’re talking about tonight. I think it’s important that we discuss things like this.

But I also think it’s very important to ensure that we do so in a productive and polite manner. Talking about this kind of stuff in a way that is disparaging or rude or ridiculous, it not only opens you up for arrest, which is a ridiculous position to put yourself in, but it also demeans the seriousness of the topic and it takes what we do out of an academic light.

Now, I’m not a revisionist. I talk about revisionism. I have revisionist guests on, but I’m generally speaking somebody who talks about demography and jewish or Zionist power and the way that jewish power affects the Western world. They’re the topics that I mainly specialise in. I do speak to revisionists. I’m interested in it. But obviously, if you are going to get involved in this, my suggestion is that you deal with it in an academic way for your own safety.

And also so the topic is held in the high regard that it deserves to be held in. If you’re there sort of cracking jokes and sharing memes and trying to be as edgy as possible, kind of undermines what people like Germar are doing. And there’s an awful lot of revisionists who have suffered greatly at the hands of the authorities over the years. And you don’t want to demean their suffering and their sacrifices.

We’ve got a five dollar Superchat from Mr. Smalls 14, who, regardless of what I just said, said:

“Germar, is it true you tried to sell soap in Sacramento with Pastor Eli?”

That’s obviously one of those jokes. You don’t have to answer that if you don’t wish. No.

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. The UK’s attitude towards Germany is that Germans have no humour. And you need to understand that the chicken has come to roost. The UK, as a winner of the Second World War, has pushed Germany in a situation where Germans can go to prison for jokes. The shortest German joke, do you know what that is?

Mark Collett: No, I don’t.

Germar Rudolf: The German word for joke is “witz”. Okay. The shortest German joke is “Ausch-witz”.

Mark Collett: [uncertain laughter from Mark]

Germar Rudolf: That gets you in prison in Germany.

Mark Collett: Indeed, indeed.

Germar Rudolf: So Germans don’t have humour because they have to watch their back. And they had to watch their backs for centuries. The Nazis didn’t invent book burning and the current government didn’t invent censorship laws. Germany has been under the stranglehold in the medievals of the Holy Inquisition, the worst of all European countries. So it has been bred into the German and out of the Germans to make certain jokes. Jokes live from the tension of putting things together that are not quite acceptable, talking seriously about them. So you package them.  And that is exactly the attempt that this fellow has been doing, pushing the envelope into the not quite acceptable. But making this joke.

And that has become a crime in Germany and in borderline areas, has always been. And now in the UK, people are getting in trouble for showing sarcasm, irony and so forth in that context. If and when jokes become punishable by law, you stop laughing! And I take that opportunity to make that clear. These kind of jokes. Make them when you’re sitting in the bar, but don’t make them publicly.

Mark Collett: Yeah, I want to sort of echo this is a serious point. So I actually believe that when it comes to comedy, when it comes to humour, when it comes to making a joke, really nothing should be off limits.

And once you start making certain things off limits, it’s very easy to make anything and everything off limits. So then you get sort of the Edinburgh Fringe voting the joke of the year as “Why did the chicken cross the road?” Because no one’s allowed to actually joke about anything else.

And I think it was Jimmy Carr who made the remark, a famous British comedian, who made the remark that:

“He’s probably already made the joke that will get him one day cancelled and ruin his career.”

And that’s how it is, because we constantly see the mainstream media, liberals, sort of fans of censorship, spending hours, if not days, if not in some cases weeks, trawling through people’s back catalogue of streams, tweets, Facebook posts, searching for something that they can find offensive in order to cancel someone, or worse still, get them arrested. And I find this very interesting because I’ve wrestled with this myself. People might say:

“Well, look, Mark, I came to your shows and I’ve now watched 200 hours of them and I found these three things offensive.”

And my question would be, if you came to the shows of Britain’s leading ethno-nationalists, and you were looking to find something offensive, is that really my fault? You know, I’m not out there saying it in the street. I’m not shouting it through a megaphone into people’s faces. I’m hosting a show. People come to the show, they know what they’re gonna get when they come to the show. This isn’t something that’s being broadcast to every car and home and workplace in the UK. You come here and you seek this out, knowing that you’re going to get a discussion about things relating to our cause.

And I think the people going out of their way to dig things up on people and to, it’s like Germar’s conference. If you were to go there and to record everything that was said and watch it in detail, taking notes, looking to find something offensive, that kind of defeats the object of watching the conference in the first place or attending the conference in the first place, because you’re not going there in good faith and then finding it offensive by accident. You’re going there on purpose to look for a reason to be offended so that you can then report it.

And this is one of the widespread problems in the West that people, the people who claim they don’t want to be offended will go out of their way and go to great lengths in order to be offended, or so they can claim that they were offended in order to report people to the authorities, which is just essentially a charter for censorship, allowing this to happen. But I do always ask people to be respectful, to exercise caution, not to use racial stuff.

As I said to all my guests, you know, please abide by sensible rules so that we are always the polite academic group that talk about things in a sensible manner.

And one thing that impresses me with Germar both times I’ve had him on is the way he can speak so fluently and in such a way that I think it would be impossible for anyone to find him offensive unless they were going out of their way to do. Optics prime gave $5. Thank you so much! And said:

“This man is a national treasure. Thank you for your work, good sir.”

Well, thank you for that Superchat. Lars Aerback with AE, gave $15.

Thank you so much! He said:

“A positive story from Denmark today. Our Supreme Court acquitted a man for hosting a site with racist jokes. Old fashioned holocaust jokes amongst them. The case has been through all three courts and has been going for over six years. This is a win for freedom of speech!”

Well, that is certainly good news from Denmark, and I hope to see more.

Germar Rudolf: Denmark? Regarding Denmark?

Mark Collett: Yeah.

Germar Rudolf: Oh that’s good! Yeah. Denmark has been a stronghold in all those years. Some German holocaust sceptics and historical sceptics actually fled to Denmark and found refuge there over the past four, five, six decades.

Mark Collett: And I’d like to say as well, big thank you to Malibu and Coke for gifting 10 subs to the channel.

And as I always say, those who accepted the gifted subs. It would mean a great deal to me if you kept them up. You know, $5 a month means very little to most people, but if I had four or five hundred people every month subbing my channel, it would take a lot of weight off my mind at the beginning of every month.

And that’s the end of the Superchat so I’m going to bring the stream to a close now. You’ve been a wonderful guest as ever! The advert for the conference has been excellent and again you’ve done most of the heavy lifting tonight and most of the speaking, but is there anything you’d like to say as a final thought before we wrap things up?

Germar Rudolf: Not much more than holocaustsummit.com! So the ultimate link will be streaming and that can change any minute depending on what happens, will be posted there there. If you submit your email, you’ll get it also in an email. And I hope we all see you there! And we are going to build a new community that gets stronger by the day!

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much!

I’d like to thank Germar for being here. He’s a courageous guy. He’s a very good speaker. We have interviewed him in full before. If you want to watch that interview, it is in my previous videos. Go and watch it. It’s well worth watching. It’s a two hour special, that one where we talk about Germar’s personal journey, what he’s been through, the incredible repression he’s faced and his incredible journey in his life. Please do that and also support his event, support his work. He’s a really nice guy. It was really kind of him to come on here tonight and he’s been, as always, the perfect guest.

I’d like to remind you all that I will be back on Sunday with the ladies from Return to the Land. That’s three housewives, mothers and home-schoolers from Return to the Land talking about women in nationalism and their roles as mothers and homemakers and educators. So that’ll be an interesting stream. Please join me then 7 PM UK time on Sunday for that. Until then, if you’re out doing activism at the weekend, please be safe, stay within the law and know your rights. And until Sunday, have a great evening, have a great weekend and I’ll see you all again soon.

Thank you to Germar, thank you to everyone who donated so generously. And as always, thank you to this wonderful community for supporting us, for supporting these shows and for supporting the good work of my guests. Thank you everyone. I love you all. Have a great weekend. Good night.

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